Why do we want to hide Gov forward? He doesn’t deserve his spot and certainly shouldn’t be taking Kemps spot forward.

Agreed. Don't think I've said anything about it before, but I've never been comfortable with Curnow as part of the leadership group. He just lacks seriousness and is a bit of a maverick. Can win us games, but more through raw talent than intelligent design.

It'll be interesting to see what difference Fantasia makes when he eventually returns. He's the only one in the forward line that strikes me as a leader. Also, if we hadn't already declared Charlie as "the man", we might have pushed SOS to the forward line on a temporary basis. Sure, the plan was to develop him as a KPD, and he's doing well in the role, but with our forwards all at sea maybe that plan needs to be sacrificed.

Charlie is kind of Fev without the dildo.

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Not just that. Peel Thunder also field a WAFL reserves team for the Freo kids to work on specific roles.

They had six rucks on their list last season.

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B: Carroll Weitering Silvagni
HB: Saad Haynes O.Hollands

C: Acres Hewett Walsh
R: De Koning Cripps Cerra

HF: Kemp Curnow White
F: Motlop Moir Williams

I: O’Keeffe Boyd Lord Durdin
S: Docherty

OUT: Cowan, McGovern, Young, Fogarty
IN: Boyd, Carroll, O’Keeffe, Durdin

Too early for Carroll, and I don’t think Boyd plays good team defence. But, here we are.

Truth be told, the hot & dry conditions would probably be good for McGovern. Stiff shit.

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Big call on HoK v Young there Crusader

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True re Southport, and Bullants are rebuilding a team from scratch, but in this thread we are discussing the most recent VFL game in our search for players for our AFL team. There's reason why the cupboard is bare.

Having said that our VFL team only lost to Hawks reserves by 4 points, and haven't played Geelong yet.

The point Cru makes that one of our AFL players playing in the VFL, earns more than the entire TPP of a stand alone team. That sort of explains another issue.

Look at Hawks and Cats VFL teams, and you will note none have 17 players 21yo and under. Kids vs men is s structural reason for the disparity.

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Gov has shown more ability as a forward than Kemp, but Gov doesn't deserve a spot due to really bad form and a lack of commitment.

More important, is to get more games into Kemp to expedite his development and simultaneously raise his Trade value.

Gov is at a loss. Voss needs to make a statement. carrying Gov is not sending a winning statement imo.

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Great description. Two laconic larrikins with abundance talent going to waste.

Charlie needs to show some leadership level maturity.

He's not even competing as an alpha male imo.

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That's funny/ strange

Too early for the medium sized Carroll who played really well in the preseason including last VFL game, but not too early for O'Keefe who had an interupted preseason with another serious hammy? O'Keefe only just came back for his first game last week. I thought big men take more time.

Have a look at this. The boy oozes poise, composure and class. Hits a target every time. That's what we need: connection, poise, composure and speed.

Her, Sydney Blue. I think you need to see this too. Pictures tell the same story Ive been telling all year.

https://youtu.be/Ocbu5UuHJMw

Big men take longer to develop, Carroll has been right to go all summer. Good hands, good speed, evasive, and kicks with both pegs. Would make an ideal winger if we can develop him.

Boyd can play a role. Not sure why he was dropped, unless its fitness. Only played half a game in the VFL on his return from injury. I don't believe Boyd can't play team defense. He has weapons we need, and have no doubt follows instructions. Boyd also releases Saady, and if Carroll plays a HBF role, he will flourish. Sticking him as a BP sticking close to the small forward will stifle his much needed skillset

Another thing is O'Keefe rucked all game which is quite commendable, but hasn't surfaced since the game at training.

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We need to be practical about our selections and value of players available.

Our best intercept defenders are Young (imo, that's his best spot, but takes too long to get rid of it), Haynes (who is a good mark, and takes off as soon as he marks, giving us run) and McGovern (who is a good mark, and a bit slow decision making but can move the ball quick over distance by foot)

In 4 games McGovern is responsible for 17 turnovers and cost us 7 goals. Look at his metres gained, and you can see he's not deliverying footy upfield to clear us out of defense. he's been kicking it off ground or just bombing it to a dangerous spot. Lazy footballer.

Think about the true cost. Lost to Dogs by 7 points, lost to Tigers by 13, lost to Hawks by 20. Gov has cost us big time. Compare Gov with Haynes or Young for the defensive post. Its a no brainer. get off Haynes case, and focus on the cost of having Gov in the line up. Drop Gov is a must. He can help develop the plethora of kids in the VFL. He will not be on the list next year imo.

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The real question here is, which team plays the other team into form?

I'm expecting change from Vossy: Team and tweak of the Game Plan to use more run and connection rather than bombing it.

The usual players who have let the team down badly, must be demoted. Moir is nowhere near ready for AFL.
Add speed.

Boyd > Cowan (injured)
Carroll > McGovern
Hollands > Motlop
McKay > Young/ Kemp
Cottrell > Moir
Durdin > Fogarty

B: Haynes Weitering Boyd
HB: Saad Silvagni Carroll
C: Hollands Cripps Acres
F" DeKoning Hewett Cerra
HF: Cottrell McKay Walsh
F: Williams Curnow Kemp

IC: Lord, Hollands, Boyd, Durdin

Sub: White/ L. Campo

Have 6 changes above but wouldn't mind adding the following, giving us 7 changes vs Weagles.



Would really like Young as the Fwd/ Ruck instead of Kemp, because too risky throwing McKay in the ruck.
Would prefer L. Camporeale over 56% Def, aka, ineffective Acres

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I’ve said my piece about bigs and time. You know I think it’s bullshit.

O’Keeffe has had three preseasons & just wrestled a bear. We need a ruck/forward combination. He’s it.

Carroll just played his first game in 16 months. He looks capable & Gov absolutely has to go… but, manage your expectations a bit.

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Good point too. I liked what I saw of O'Keefe this year, and reckon you're on the money with him too. Just needs to hold his marks. Seems to have hard hands of the Pitto variety.

I'm not expecting Carroll to create a storm, this year, but he definitely looked to be the form player prior to H&A, and should have been rewarded on that alone.

When we were looking to demote players devoid of form, the cupboard has been said to be bare, hence their spot in the team was not under threat. Well, Carroll gives me/us plenty of reason to try ahead of someone like Gov who is so out of form; that's where I'm coming from.

Carroll also looked good on Saturday night, so mine is not a pipe dream.

I notice that I'm not the only one spruiking for Carroll's promotion. Nearly every team I've seen for this weekend's game, including today's Herald Sun predicted teams, have name Carroll, so I don't feel I'm getting ahead of myself. Just stating the obvious, and expectations are in check, I feel comfortable my position is backed by facts. Hey, he may be asked to play a lockdown role and we see nothing of him and his skills. That's on the coaches.

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you guys ...

there's no way voss gets remotely radical with selections. boyd for cowan will be it. maybe, but unlikely - due to only playing one game in reggies, post injury - durdin in for white.

gov is safe as a bank, in keeping his spot.

I hope we're brave enough to bring in Durds for Fog instead of White. Durds 13 tackles, was it, vs Southport? That tells me can do the Fog role. We need to tip the balance toward putting the pigskin between the big sticks.

Sexyback more like. Amiright ladies?

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Whats the "vibe" on McKay?

He played VFL last week and did OK....

Surely he must be available for selection this week?

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