Arm chair experts know why those two mystery frees were paid. No one is doubting cracking in, just lots of poor decisions and execution

And if this happened and that happened we would of won. It didn't happen and didn't win. Nice fantasy though.

Hawthorn weren't great but still won comfortably in the end.

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Just watched the press conference.

He looks like a man feeling the pressure and is clearly not happy with the media.

He seemed relatively pleased with our performance - which is crazy.

We kicked 2 goals in a half.. we did not look a threat at all in then second half.

We don’t have a system.

Don't know what to say... Just don't care anymore.... ( its been 21 Years of Venting at this Pathetic Club )

I was there, and yes, we did give it a crack. And as slick as Hawthorn were, the armchair ride they got from the umps killed any momentum of ours after half time.

We managed to stifle their mad runs in the second quarter somehow.

It's possible we were always going to tire, chasing their faster and better kicking tails, but I would have really liked to see the great match this could have been if the blue stains could stop stuffing it up. We deserved to be far closer at the end.

I thought Ollie was great in the first half and not surprised he faded, with all the ground he was covering. He puts in even if his frame isn't made for making spoils on every big body floating into our defence.

JSOS gives his all but a few more goals to cap off his work wouldn't go astray.

TDK, Cripps, Weiters carrying too much load still, despite a much improved team effort on last week's debacle. Liked Cerra and Hewitt. Campo great but worn out in the end so not a bad choice for subbing off. Will Walsh and Curnow get properly match fit in the next week or two? Is Doc really cooked or will the skills return once he gets his breath back (he did make some smarter positioning than others with his defensive efforts at times, as he does). Is Motlop really as bad as everyone says, or will something click soon (I thought he was stiff at times to not get reward for effort)? Did Gov redeem himself at all this week (man, that was a shocker, last week)?

I left the game annoyed but slightly optimistic that we can still scare the favourites. As everyone says, though, our depth does look horrible after the same few stars we keep relying on. Either we get a run of luck with injuries or some young'uns miraculously start kicking down the door. Call me naive. It can happen.

Meh, who am I kidding? Taunt me again, Blues.

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At the end of the day, we were simply not good enough. The umpiring was disgusting, but we still had our chances. We weren't good enough to take them. JSOS. Motlop. TDK. All hit the post. The glaring shortcomings will haunt is all year (and years to come) lack of speed. Lack of skill. Lack of quality small forwards. And really just no one with any brilliance that can pull off the miraculous.

Simply put, we've stuffed it up. We chased the wrong players. We've drafted poorly. We've recruited poorly.

We're as far away from it as we've ever been. Time to blow it up and start again

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This side has shown a number of times the last few years it is damn good. We were winning games last year, until the end, with half a side out. Problem is the side never wants it badly enough on a consistent basis. Like St.Kilda, promise everything, deliver nothing. "Want" is everything. We saw that at round 13 in 2023 where the big powwow with Ed Curnow changed everything in a week. We have the players but attitude is everything

Will do nothing blowing the place up. If the club doesn't want it badly enough same result will occur

So you are saying we haven’t even got 1 player in the reserves that is good enough to play and why keep rewarding underperforming players games
Maybe those reserves grade players see this or is it just the standard at the club

We lost McKay last night they brought in a defender as Lemmey not good enough.
The only players who might get a game are all injured.
Ben Campo Durdin Orazio Pitto Newman Jagga Carroll and E Holland's has his issues.

We have no depth
The others haven't shown anything that warranted senior selection

Watch it and tell me i am wrong

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We will have to go to work on that.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

And on top of all that we never really looked or felt like we were hitting our straps. A lot of upside still if we can find the mojo

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I don't agree with this...many of the key pillars are still there and have lots of football ahead of them.

For years Geelong were said to be too old....make the finals every year but no more than that. They made some tweaks/list decisions and won a flag in '22.

It's just about being smart with list management AND coaching - are the club capable of making the right choices?

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Agree!!

It feels like 2012 when the wheels fell off for Ratts. We did the right thing replacing him but made all the wrong decisions from there. We all know how it ended. We had the core of a very good team, needed to find the right coaches and list manager.

Random question - how did Sicily the defender end up kicking a goal?

it was a better performance, and in the end we lost to a side that uses the football better. there skills are elite. ours are not. a few dodgy decisions yes, 3 posters doestn help ... but it just felt we needed to work so hard to get into scoring positions, yet they would have 3 kicks, pin point, hit a target on the run, to hit another target on the run for an easy shot at goal ... they only did it 3 or 4 times, but i felt that was the difference in the game.

effort was there, some of the tackling and intensity was great, but as others have said, felt all too familar. Too much left to too little.

still feel we have a few players underdone (Walsh, Curnow) ...

Cripps, McKay, Curnow, Weitering, TDK ... im not sure what the deals are, but i feel we have to much top end talent, and not enough talent spread across the list. Like others have said, our elite is elite, then it falls off a cliff.

2 years ago, it was an inside game, but credit to other coaches to be honest. Its no longer that, its outside run, outside run and abit more outside run. Hawks do it waves and do it well, helps that they have guys who can hit targets. We are still holding on to that game style ... and it doesnt work, but nor do i think we can change it without some serious changes.

Everyone talks about list management and coaches ... i want to know what's going on with our development of players? I feel that is where we get it wrong. Why can other clubs get it so right and we cant?

Our development of players, and expectation of players to "improve naturally" is almost none existent ...

i really like the look of Jagga, but we paid too high of a price (not his fault) ... but no first or 2nd picks this year doesnt look great ... unless the plan was always to trade out some talent etc.. but there would be some big calls for that to happen ...

feels abit like we went all in on the, with a flop of A, J, 10 of hearts, thinking we had the K & Q, to only realize we where actually holding a 2 & 3 of spades ...

Modern afl, most teams have a crack mate. And if that’s our metric we’re hanging our hat on on here… it’ll be another 30 years before we win a flag

Cold, hard truth is we’ve now lost 9 from the past 11. Our list has holes & deficiencies all thru it and we’re so shallow, we are one injury away from utter devastation- that being a top 3 or draft pick which we don’t even own.

Our coach is not up to it, his gameplan the afl’s worst and he seems too stubborn/ bereft of ideas to steer us right.

We have peaked… so, now what?

Yep I was there. The effort was great.

Effort is the bare minimum.

Skills still poor. Game plan seemingly one dimensional.

To applaud effort is to follow St kilda.

Currently, we are more St kilda than St kilda

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Congratulations CK95

Agree

We don’t have enough depth and balance in the list

People are fooled about the quality of our list as they tend to focus on our best players

The support cast is ordinary. Always has been and has stifled our development as we hold on to players for too long.

Coupled with that is investing too much salary into experienced players that we brought to the club with little success.

A reason why Hawthorne is successful is because they devise a strategy around modern game plans and recruit accordingly. Our approach is ad hoc at best. Too much focus on the top end and compromise on a squad that has sufficient depth.