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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:38 am 
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Just read in the Herald sun the Saints played their 'A' Team in their praccy game where new recruit ruckman Harry Boyd played as the No 1 ruck

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St Kilda spearhead Max King pushed through his biggest session of pre-season so far as his potential key forward running mate Rowan Marshall showed impressive signs in attack.


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Marshall played exclusively forward during two different match play stints, one full ground and another in just the attacking two-thirds.

Summer signing Harry Boyd took ruck duties while Marshall played forward, with the SANFL star rucking for a team wearing red that appeared to be virtually a full strength ‘A’ side.

Marshall clunked two big grabs near the goalsquare and dished out a direct goal assist in the shorter match play session, rotating with King, who also took two big marks.


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With Boyd brought in as a mature ruck option, the Saints are testing out playing Marshall and King together forward more in 2025, after Marshall drifted forward to kick eight goals in his last five games of 2024.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/track-watch-st-kilda-youngsters-shaping-midfield-mix-for-2025/news-story/4c4b0c14ccae2db586f1cdd318aa1c2c

With our nemesis Membrey gone, it begs the question which of our defenders will take on the two 200+cm KP?

Weitering takes Marshall when he's deepest.

Who takes King? All 202cm of him?

The list debate continues.


It can only be Young. Until we recruit another genuine key defender, Young has to be part of our plans IMO. Gov and Kemp are far too vulnerable and it leaves far too much on Weiters shoulders, which takes away his intercept and rebound game. SDK should be the priority target next off season

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:53 pm 
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Absolutely rotten news for Newy - and for the club. The defensive set up is a bit off kilter without him and Cincotta filling that hardened medium defender role.

Huge season for the Moo, and the door is open for Boyd to be a 20+ possession rebounder.

Three vacancies on the list. Of the group that is currently training with the squad, Matt Carroll is probably the only like-for-like... not that that makes him a certainty.

The AFL data has both of the Irish boys at 194cm, which is a fairly dramatic change to the list profile. Monahan is still listed as a forward, but I think they both play in defence this year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:25 pm 
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If anything, the defence is an area we actually have some depth in.

We've lost Newman and Cincotta, but we could play any six (seven?) of the following and be fairly comfortable:

Weitering, Saad, Cowan, Young, Kemp, Silvagni, Haynes, O. Hollands, Boyd, Docherty, McGovern... Wilson?

The hardest thing to replace won't be Newman the footballer, but Newman the organiser. I maintain that our 2022 season went to hell when he got injured, and we lost all structure. Hopefully three years on the rest of them know better what they're doing as a unit.

It really depends on what combo we feel is most effective.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:05 pm 
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Saad +1 year
Cerra +5 years :eek:

Cerra is a bit of a surprise, but that’s the modern game.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:25 pm 
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Expiring Primary List contracts this year:

Non Free Agents
Adam Cerra…… +5 years
Adam Saad…… +1 year
Billy Wilson
Brodie Kemp
George Hewett…… +1 year
Harry Lemmey
Jesse Motlop
Mitch McGovern
Nic Newman

Unrestricted Free Agents
Jack Silvagni
Nick Haynes
Orazio Fantasia
Sam Docherty

Restricted Free Agent
Tom De Koning

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:03 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Saad +1 year
Cerra +5 years :eek:

Cerra is a bit of a surprise, but that’s the modern game.

The club must be confident that he has overcome the recurring hamstring injuries.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:28 pm 
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Seriously dumb to give a guy who had 5 hamstring injuries in the last 12 months 5 years.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:53 pm 
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Seriously dumb to give a guy who had 5 hamstring injuries in the last 12 months 5 years.


At the very least its highly risky.

Clearly the club seems confident from the outcome of the DOha Quatar camp thing they sent him on...

Maybe a more prudent option could have been 3 year extension with options based on games played or something

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:00 pm 
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Hopefully it means he comes reasonably cheap

Because 5 years seems big to me

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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3 years he'd be looking around

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:27 pm 
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Where's the news on TDK? :eek:


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:45 am 
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5 years is a lot but the trend seems to be for longer contracts lately. Perhaps he's taken less money for stability?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:33 am 
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missnaut wrote:
5 years is a lot but the trend seems to be for longer contracts lately. Perhaps he's taken less money for stability?


At the very least you would hope he has taken a significant pay cut for such a long extension, especially given his horror injury history.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:41 pm 
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With the cap set to hit $17.7m this season, 5x $650-700k is fairly manageable. If he’s playing 20+ games a year, he’s probably worth more than that.

We’ve only got 36 on the primary list, with 10 of those aged 21 & younger.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:38 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Hopefully it means he comes reasonably cheap

Because 5 years seems big to me

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I agree.
But I'm probably too biased to offer an honest reflection as I probably expect more than what he can deliver.
I can't remember a game where I thought "wow! Cerra burned up the opposition".

If this contract means Carlton miss out on De Koening...you just shake your head in wonder at the stupidity.
Now I have seen games where De Koening was a difference maker, none that I can remember from Cerra.


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:47 pm 
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But it could also mean it makes it easier to sign TDK, if we've sorted Cerra's wage sensibly.

My worry is this hamstring issue remains a thing, but I guess we hand it over to the new fitness bloke & hope for the best.

He is a good player Cerra in my view. Very good. His first game for us against Richmond & his game against Coll at the end of 2022 stand out to me. We just want to see his best, uninterrupted by injury.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:49 am 
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Matt Carroll gets SSP.spot
Sam Durdin gawn

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:04 pm 
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Good decision. No more injury plagued players please.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:03 pm 
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So last spot out of DGB and Liam McMahon

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:16 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Good decision. No more injury plagued players please.

While I don't disagree, didn't the young bloke miss pretty much all of last season with injury?

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