Could also add the following:

Williams - poor defender and his honeymoon as a forward appears to be over.

Young - I haven't been a fan but he was OK last night

O Hollands - has time on his side but needs to improve significantly. Lacks any real offensive weapons.

TDK - made a huge difference when he came on. Potential superstar.

Our small/medium forward trio of Durdin, Motlop and Fantasia were just so ineffective compared to the likes of Bailey and Lohmann who always look dangerous and make things happen. Hopefully Moir can step up next year.

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Numb and humiliated. And Brisbane weren’t that good. Review must focus on the 0-60 and the panic and lack of clear heads around selection, so we never make these mistakes again. Injuries derailed our season, but everyone can see you can’t change a third of your team IN A FINAL and expect coherence. Peter Hudson might have come back from a knee at Waverley and kicked 8 but this is fantasy stuff. Doc wasn’t ready but he pushed his case to the detriment of the team. None of the other recalls were any good either, apart from TDK

Kudos to Nic Newman who at least showed some fight as you should expect in a final

It occurs to me that blueman may actually have been a Hawthorn supporter…

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0 to 60 in 50minutes…
Sounds like a rubbish car, it was rubbish Carlton


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Agree with most of your points.
Williams- loved his exuberance earlier in the year when kicking goals. Could be tried again as a forward in 2025. Not sure he has sustained zip needed for defence again.

Young- agreed. Would like to see him take the marks when he had no contest and instead he double fisted ball away… but I think he showed heart at least.

O Hollands..in bits I remember he wasn’t played on the wing, was on half back flank due to Docherty taking his position. He improved this year on his tackling. Didn’t do much last night. Needs to be able to play different roles as Acres is a lock for one wing, we need improvement on the other.

Agree with you on small forwards. Delist Fantasia, Durdin VFL, Motlop aim to improve.

TDK- he’s a colossus. Probably one of the big pluses for me out of this season = TDK.
Should aim for top 3 in b&f next season. Could win us a few games next year just on his impact alone.

I feel emotionally eviscerated this morning.
As others pointed out, we were young in 1995.
Now I feel very aged.

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Can't remember the club but they picked a clearly unfit player as sub. That's the only sub clanger in the ball park to last night

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Play this same game in Melbourne with Curnow, Owies & Fogarty and the result could have been different.
Interstate finals are tough.
The sheer fact we obliterated likely premiers in Geelong earlier in season proves we have a bit.
Eighth isn’t going to cut it. Need home finals, need to develop Camporeale, Lord, need improvement in defence.. get a good defender traded in and bob’s your uncle.

At least that means a world war is coming and we can hopefully be released from this one-sided marriage of supporting this footy club with the sweet release of death

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Thank you, 79!
A bit of perspective.

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That's the spirit!

Carlton vs Geelong Round 16
Cincotta kicked 2
Curnow 5
McKay and Owies 3 each.
One ruckman Is a better fit - TDK.
Kennedy 31 possessions
Elijah impacted 21 possessions.
Fogarty good etc.
Just need to get best players out there and in health.
There were at least 5 1/2 players missing from that match in Brisbane match.

it's actually not crap.

2023 until pittonet got injured we were 15th on the ladder and went on a 9-nil win streak. not bcos coaches moved magnets and adjusted. but bcos we were forced to play with the players we had available. incidentally we won those 9 games by playing with dash and dare and handball chains - ie the same way we outscored lions 71-39 tonight.

since june this year, we've been #18 defensive team in just about all metrics. #18 in ball movement from D50.

if you think we maintain this course we've been on under Voss' tenure in 2025 and make finals, i don't know what to tell you.

think we have fallen into the old trap of thinking our star players will do the job, we need to build a system that delivers. Harry and TDK were the only 2 I would have brought back in but then the bed was made by not playing kids during the year.

coaches need to not evaluate players, they need to evaluate themselves.

Cincotta, Lord, Moir and Binns deserved their spots.

Durdin, Motlop and Cerra did not.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Curnow and Owies out was massive, how often do they fire us up? think we looked at all the names coming in on paper and thought we were up for it. Take Cameron and Stengle out of the cats finals run in 22 and how do they go?

Hewett was our best I thought. Cripps and Weiters battled on. Young’s game was encouraging, particularly marks under pressure, although aggression and spoiling needs work. Noticed weiters applauding him late in the game. Small signs but maybe they can work together well. Kemp was quiet but I liked that dish at speed late in the game to doch. Would like him persisted forward next yr.

TDK lifted the side when he came on. Seems like we have a group of players that when on the field and performing elevate the side. When they’re out, the lesser likes in the team visibly wilters. Different to sides like Richmond in their peak years whose lesser likes were still confident flogs…

Hindsight’s great but I would have not bothered with Cerra and williams, started TDK, played cincotta and Moir, and bring doch on as sub.

Lord looks ready made for me already. The way he starts handball chains etc.
Some players you see them and you think this is natural for them.. decision making, poise etc.. early days but of the new recruits for me he was the standout.
Would like to see him take Cerra’s spot.

Pros: Doc recovered from his third knee injury

Cons: Doc recovered from his third knee injury AND played!

We all love Docherty but to declare himself match fit was the most selfish act from a leader of our footy club. Lost much respect for the man.

It also epitomises how week our football department is. From footy director to footy manager to footy coach …… this inclusion was not on!

We have no plan, we kick blindly. I watched Cowan just throw the ball on his boot several times because ‘clear the area’ is obviously the direction. What happened, kicked it to a Brisbane player every time.

It was a matter of time in that first quarter before we broke down defensively. 0-60 actually flattered us.

When we were winning flags, Voss would have lost his job for a performance like this. Instead it’ll be those below him. There’s no accountability off field and therefore none on it.

Brisbane laughed at us all night.

But our players wont care.

I am hoping like hell Brisbane gets their gobs smashed by GWS next week.

Rainer and Loman - Hate em……. Figjams of the highest order.

Too me it’s too simplistic to say if we had these players playing in Melbourne we win
When the holding the ball rule was changed we became a bottom 6 team
We lack run and carry and leg speed
The club still has major problems in regards to culture
There is an old saying in footy that the club is bigger than the individual
This rings true in regards to continual selection of players who don’t deserve a game over others
Admittedly there wasn’t much in the reserves but the continual non- selection of Jaxon Binns when his form warranted an elevation over others is bad for your club
Williams MCGovern are average footballers
Besides being overpaid and unreliable fitness wise they simply are average
Yet they are continually selected

Put simply we weren’t good enough this year and fell into the 8 but Binns Moir and Lord should of played Saturday night
Why guys like Williams were selected over these guys who were fit and deserved to experience Finals action is perplexing but players on bigger cash always have been favored regardless of performance

The club has to get passed players like this

And to play Docherty is the classic example of putting the individual before the team
This is pointing the finger at Docherty and the MC

The club is once again in danger of being passed by others particularly with Tasmania coming in
And the plethora of draft selection concessions they will receive
Hawthorn have shown how to do a proper rebuild
Pick kids back them back a culture where piss poor non team efforts arnt tolerated( remember Scrimshaw) and trade to get winners from other clubs for a bag of chips
Now they are in a position to take advantage of free agency
I’m 61 and honestly can’t see a flag even if I live to an old age
Obviously last night was a disappointing result and injuries don’t help
But it was the way it was all handled before the event