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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 1:56 pm 
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i hope whoever goes to the game boos liam jones at every opportunity
Why? The club and AFL kicked him out.

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I thought Liam was the only player who wouldnt sing "All for One, and One for All". He went his own way. That was more important to him.

I dont mind him being booed. Rish t or wrong it can serve a purpose. Perjaps to remind TDK and others what to expoect from the frustrated Navy Blue Army.


I thought listening to Doc talk about how scared he was when he got out of therapy and that Jones wouldn’t have the jab was probably why the club turfed him out.

Maybe I’m wrong


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 2:40 pm 
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Turns out Jones was right.
Why would you boo him. He should be cheered.
Are are people still convinced Vax mandates were the right thing to do.
Noticed AZ destroyed 40 million doses and removed themselves from the equation.



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 3:08 pm 
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In: Kennedy, Owies and Cottrell
Out: Newman (suspended), Honey (omitted) and Ed (omitted)

Quit the Kennedy as sub business. Play him mid rotating forward. He can take a mark and kick a goal.

Owies is an upgrade on Honey who should have gone out weeks ago.

Move Doc back to full time half back for Newman.

Give Cottrell a crack at the high half forward roll Ed has been playing.


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 4:06 pm 
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david31 wrote:
In: Kennedy, Owies and Cottrell
Out: Newman (suspended), Honey (omitted) and Ed (omitted)

Quit the Kennedy as sub business. Play him mid rotating forward. He can take a mark and kick a goal.

Owies is an upgrade on Honey who should have gone out weeks ago.

Move Doc back to full time half back for Newman.

Give Cottrell a crack at the high half forward roll Ed has been playing.


I reckon this will be close. My only question is do we need TDK in to help with English? Bont & English are so important for the Dogs


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 4:40 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
david31 wrote:
In: Kennedy, Owies and Cottrell
Out: Newman (suspended), Honey (omitted) and Ed (omitted)

Quit the Kennedy as sub business. Play him mid rotating forward. He can take a mark and kick a goal.

Owies is an upgrade on Honey who should have gone out weeks ago.

Move Doc back to full time half back for Newman.

Give Cottrell a crack at the high half forward roll Ed has been playing.


I reckon this will be close. My only question is do we need TDK in to help with English? Bont & English are so important for the Dogs

Not against bringing TDK in but it may have to be at the expense of JSOS. Playing all of Pitt, JSOS and TDK makes us very cumbersome, especially given our midfield is on the slower side as is.


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 5:19 pm 
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david31 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
david31 wrote:
In: Kennedy, Owies and Cottrell
Out: Newman (suspended), Honey (omitted) and Ed (omitted)

Quit the Kennedy as sub business. Play him mid rotating forward. He can take a mark and kick a goal.

Owies is an upgrade on Honey who should have gone out weeks ago.

Move Doc back to full time half back for Newman.

Give Cottrell a crack at the high half forward roll Ed has been playing.


I reckon this will be close. My only question is do we need TDK in to help with English? Bont & English are so important for the Dogs

Not against bringing TDK in but it may have to be at the expense of JSOS. Playing all of Pitt, JSOS and TDK makes us very cumbersome, especially given our midfield is on the slower side as is.


Agree. I’d drop Silvagni


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 6:46 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Turns out Jones was right.
Why would you boo him. He should be cheered.
Are are people still convinced Vax mandates were the right thing to do.
Noticed AZ destroyed 40 million doses and removed themselves from the equation.



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I'm just looking for an angle.
I couldnt give 2 hoots if he vaccinated or not.
What I do know is because he chose not to vax, we lost our FB.
Sux. Vax. Sux. Vax. We woz robbed by the AFL.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 6:48 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
malbi wrote:
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i hope whoever goes to the game boos liam jones at every opportunity
Why? The club and AFL kicked him out.

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I thought Liam was the only player who wouldnt sing "All for One, and One for All". He went his own way. That was more important to him.

I dont mind him being booed. Rish t or wrong it can serve a purpose. Perjaps to remind TDK and others what to expoect from the frustrated Navy Blue Army.

Mate… come off it…


Its a thought. A thought that some people would have.
I don't encourage my kids to boo.
They just copy me.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 8:21 pm 
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david31 wrote:
In: Kennedy, Owies and Cottrell
Out: Newman (suspended), Honey (omitted) and Ed (omitted)

Quit the Kennedy as sub business. Play him mid rotating forward. He can take a mark and kick a goal.

Owies is an upgrade on Honey who should have gone out weeks ago.

Move Doc back to full time half back for Newman.

Give Cottrell a crack at the high half forward roll Ed has been playing.

I don't mind this and we can then rotate Cottrell through the middle for some leg speed.
Kennedy and Cripps rotating F50 and middle also.
And play Hollands as sub and Walsh on the wing.
Instant upgrade on attack, the wings and in the F50.


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 8:28 pm 
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Wouldn't playing Hollands as sub mean you need another "in"? It's embarrassing how hard my brain is having to work to figure this one out.


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 8:31 pm 
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Took me a few minutes too but I think the answer's yes :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 10:04 pm 
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Personnel wise

In: Kennedy Owies TDK Boyd Cottrell
Out: Newman Honey Curnow Silvagni Hollands (sub)

Makes us a lot better on paper. If we want more run don’t bring in TDK and let McGovern McKay Young do ruck minutes

I still think this looks a good side on paper. I just hope there is some real discussion and adjustment around the way we play this week

Interesting that the top 4 scoring sides in the AFL all have a mix of goal scorers and don’t rely on one or two players


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 11:18 pm 
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Ins. Outs. Does it really even matter? The way we play makes it inconsequential. The dogs win this comfortably and we drop out of the 8, most likely for the rest of the year. Our brand of football doesn't stack up in any way against the top 10 teams in the comp

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 11:32 pm 
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Yup….

not this years brand anyway…!

If we could somehow discover last years tempo in
the first 10 games…we may win a final…but we
need to rekindle the sparks in the fire…!


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 8:48 am 
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:16 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.


But have they been ignored Bondi ? the leads are so tentative and wishy washy they create confusion in the bloke coming downfield with the ball . I reckon it is that split second of hesitation that is creating the poor kicks . FFS , if you are going to lead , lead hard and demand the ball .

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:21 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Wouldn't playing Hollands as sub mean you need another "in"? It's embarrassing how hard my brain is having to work to figure this one out.

Most likely, TBH I didn't even give the Ins and Outs ledger any thought.
I just added on to the last post. :lol:
Still it doesn't change my point.
Maybe leave Ed on the bench, he still did a good job on Neal.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:21 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.


But have they been ignored Bondi ? the leads are so tentative and wishy washy they create confusion in the bloke coming downfield with the ball . I reckon it is that split second of hesitation that is creating the poor kicks . FFS , if you are going to lead , lead hard and demand the ball .

The hesitation is probably caused by thinking they’ll be out of position when the ball gets bombed over their heads.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 1:14 pm 
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Out: Newman (susp), Honey (not up to it), Hollands (tired)
In: Dow (we need more midfield options), Owies (upgrade on Honey), Cottrell (bigger body than Hollands)

B: Cincotta, Young, McGovern
HB: Docherty, Weitering, Saad
C: Acres, Cripps, Cottrell
HF: Owies, C. Curnow, Kennedy
F: Silvagni, McKay, Durdin
Foll: Pittonet, Cerra, Walsh
Int: Kemp, Hewett, Dow, Motlop
Sub: E. Curnow

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 1:59 pm 
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Young's last chance this week but I'd forget the ruck role. He was playing OK until we changed his role.
I'm coming around to the thoughts about playing TDK in defence. If we're going to play a tall defender in the ruck (which I don't like), I'd rather it be Tom.
JSOS needs a role other than FP but the wing rotation isn't working. He needs to play relieving ruck or play 2's.
I'd settle the defence, bring in Cottrell and Owies for Hollands and Honey. Kennedy in to the 22, Walsh to high H/F.
I keep hearing how we can't play Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy and Cerra in the middle. It worked OK earlier last year. Our mids brutalised their opponents. We need to get back to that. No excuses. If they cant execute their role. Step aside and give someone else a shot.
Lastly, get some cameos going in the middle. Durdin, Motlop. Even Acres. Change it up.

B: Cincotta, Young, McGovern
HB: Docherty, Weitering, Saad
C: Acres, Cripps, Cottrell
HF: Owies, Harry, Walsh
F: Motlop, Charlie, Durdin
Foll: Pittonet, Kennedy, Cerra
Int: Kemp, Hewett, Ed, Silvagni
Sub: Boyd

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