Serious question. Can we match it with the top sides with Plowman Newnes Newman in the side? Play okay against average sides but in big games get found out.

List Management at years end will be interesting

Pretty much this.
Vosdy would have learnt a lot as to who will stand up in finals pressure and who won't.
He'll quickly weed out those who can't.
Some may have just had an off night which can happen others will be better for the experience and will learn. Some though won't be up to it.

Is Weitering fully fit? Because he doesn't look it. Seemed really hampered by something.

Harry had his worst game ever I reckon.

Agree about Weitering, he’s been virtually invisible last two weeks, especially last night.

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The way he brushed aside … nothing … was pretty special.

It *was* amateur hour though.

My theory is that Weits is still hampered by shoulder post-surgery and was instructed NOT to take any ruck contests (he’s probably the strongest through the trunk/legs) because that would normally be a no-brainer:
Ruck contest within 30 metres from goal - Hawkins will try the grab’n’snap 100% of the time.

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This sums up the night...we played into their hands...we made the G look like Kardinia park, especially the Northern wing...refused to use the width of the G

The only time we switched play was from a slow build up, which meant they could transition with us

Not sure whether it's just me but our mids are getting beaten and beaten and beaten at centre bounces and stoppages. And it can't all be due to Pitto not being there...the ball eventually falls to the ground...gravity makes sure of that

Something needs to change. I would have Dow in a heartbeat over Hayes, regardless of positions or like 4 like...that's a convenient furphy...the MC have a whole week to sort rotations between mid/wing/HF. We need some breakaway speed from contests

And...Durdin (who likes a ripper) has been gifted many games this year. In fact, our small fwds are non-existent. If they are being instructed to go up the ground more to support defenders, they don't have the mix right...they are invisible in our F30

Finally...can someone please explain to me what our kick out strategy is???? Kick it long to a contest, usually an uncontested mark by Stanley, Blicavs last night. It just kept coming back. I need someone to explain why we can't mix it up with some organised chaos running around to hit a target 30-40m away before the next kick????

I will not entertain the line that they were sooooo much better than us last night. Our piss poor decision making, execution (even with little pressure), set ups and some questionable officiation of the game either gifted them 5 and/or denied us 5 goals

Most of what I have said above has been happening for a while so I'm now getting a bit frustrated with the coaches who have not been able to to ameliorate the situation

And...I'm doubly annoyed that Coll have been able to string 8 wins in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Weiters seems reluctant to initiate body contact.
Whether not 100% and rushed back in or just lacking confidence in the arm, I don't know

While disappointed with many aspects of the game, ultimately we got beaten by a mature, well drilled, experienced side that is the best in the competition at this exact point in time. On rough estimates, this would have been the biggest game of their career for 18 of our 22 players. For 18 of their 22 players, this wouldn’t rank in the top 30 biggest games of their careers. They stood up and we went to water which in some ways is expected given the gulf in big game experience.

Personally I’m trying to reset expectations back to pre-season (where I would have taken a finals appearance in a heart beat) rather than mid season (where we threatened to sneak into the 4 or make some sort of impact in September). Our first 10 games were by in large very good. I believe they included a 3 and 4 game winning streak. Our last 7 games have been loss following by a win and repeat. Injuries have hurt but ultimately form has dropped off to the extent that we’re playing as a middle of the road side that has banked early wins.

Win 2 more and we’re a lock to play finals. That should be the aim. Starts this week by beating the Giants.

14 disposals last week against the 17th team with 6 clangers.
Has O'Brien become Jason Akermanis after one week away? Some very short memories here.

We had a shocker. Geelong showed us what pressure footy is about. Better we find out our deficiencies now and go to school on them. We'll be far better for the loss. Mind you, we got schooled by the top team comprehensively and the margin was only 30 points.

As for the Cripps/Blicavs match up, it was always going to happen. We stated in the pre-game thread that it would occur. We have to find ways to get it back on our terms when the opposition are getting what they want.
I like Voss' response and I like the way we were exposed. Lots to learn from.

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What really stood out for me during the match was that when Geelong players were tackled they almost always were able to get an effective disposal away despite the tackle. Yet when Carlton players were tackled they were unable to move the ball on and it was “ball up”.

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In his presser, Voss was as diplomatic as possible but it was clear he was extremely disappointed with what we dished up.

Fully agree on the above posts re tackles. So many times we had them cold……and every single time they would get an effective disposal away.

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We had more disposals, more contested possessions, more clearances, yet were belted. Geelong pressure led to even worse disposal than normal, this game will be a lesson leading to a better future hopefully.

Weits certainly doesn't look fit, shows we mustn't rush McG and Pitto back too soon, looked like TDK hurt his shoulder too.

Umpiring didn't help, but didn't cost us the game.

Some weeding out needs to be done at the end of the year. I'm damn sick of high priced recruits who can't get on the park too. Especially when some were known to be injury prone before we got them.

Lots of angry and disappointed Carlton supporters walking home last night, including me. I only live a block from the G and found a brand new Carlton Polo size L in our front courtyard this morning. Someone’s cracked it and chucked it.

If you’d like it back pm me. I’ll mail it to you

Not mine Rick and good to hear from you

Very disappointing performance and shows the old adage Rome wasn’t built in a day

Reverted back to last year and the pressure came on and the ball butchery and cheap chippy kicks to try to relieve the pressure on oneself was evident particularly from the backline to the wing
Then if we did get it past the wing let’s either blast it forward to the Geelong outnumber or be really cute and hit the Geelong Blackman on the chest
The intercept marks by the Cats in the back half were were ridiculous

2 possible winners on the night Walsh and Charlie but that was it
Terribly jittery sloppy lacked hardness and lack of sticking to game plan
Lost all shape in 3rd quarter

Yes and we will see a response next week against GWS which will mean stuff all when and if we don’t turn up against Adelaide
Win /loss immaturity of this team over last 7 weeks shows still a way to go and a reversion to past practices when things get hard

And I will wash it and iron it before I send it back because there’s a slight chance it has been pissed on

I think there has been too much hype about where we are at and too much hysteria when we lose. At the start of the year I was hoping/expecting to make finals - end of story. That would show good improvement from previous years and a game plan that is developing. Voss has always talked of the developing game plan but that it needs to evolve with the players and this takes time. We were beaten by a mature team with a mature game plan that all the players adhere to and work within. They allowed us to possess the ball in areas of the ground that did not hurt them and where they could slow us down to set up defensively. They were well drilled and practiced on when to man up their opponent eg Blicavs on Cripps, and when to drop off and create run. They kept Saad on a leash and prevented Docherty from delivering the ball from HB/wing. It showed the importance of Williams and McGovern to the side to provide extra run and elite delivery from the backline. I'm looking for a strong finish to the season, at least one finals game and bring on next year!

Walsh had a lot of the ball but was impotent. TDK played well and Kennedy was the best of the midfielders. Charlie for 3 goals from limited opportunities.