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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:23 pm 
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Not sure what you were all thinking was going to miraculously happen this year. Seriously we are in rebuild and I would hazard to guess that a few players today may not be with us next year. If you are looking for a quick fix then Mick Martyn sends his love.

I love your optimism. Keep it up. The club needs you.
But:
Tonight was worse than anything last year because of where we were two months ago.
Tonight you saw something truly unforgivable. A rabble being done by a rabble.
Two weeks ago, Justin Leppisch said his team was not AFL standard and he was playing kids who should not be playing AFL football. That's the team that shot us to ribbons for almost three quarters of football tonight. They will probably get a PP before we do and we couldn't outplay them until they were too tired to trot and we still had legs.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:23 pm 
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THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTBACKS AGAINST A WOODEN SPOON SIDE IN MY LIVING MEMORY :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I know right! Just look at the universal praise they're getting in this thread!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:27 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
bax wrote:
AGRO wrote:
keogh wrote:
We simply are a product of our past and today we had 8 to 10 players who won't be there or won't be getting a gamein a couple of years.
We have recruited hi year
Plowman
Sumner
Phillips


Lamb

[REDACTED] for the next decade



Next person who says WE bent GWS over in that deal I'll spew up


We bent GWS over in that deal



Which one of those four (and for that matter Jakcsh and Whiley) would walk into that top four side :wink:



Oh... You didn't get that.... So I got u hook, line and sinker :grin:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:36 pm 
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bax wrote:
AGRO wrote:
bax wrote:
AGRO wrote:
keogh wrote:
We simply are a product of our past and today we had 8 to 10 players who won't be there or won't be getting a gamein a couple of years.
We have recruited hi year
Plowman
Sumner
Phillips


Lamb

[REDACTED] for the next decade



Next person who says WE bent GWS over in that deal I'll spew up


We bent GWS over in that deal



Which one of those four (and for that matter Jakcsh and Whiley) would walk into that top four side :wink:



Oh... You didn't get that.... So I got u hook, line and sinker :grin:



I thought the wink would have been a clue

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:44 pm 
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You have a clue to give away?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:44 pm 
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I'll always love our club, even though I am hurting today.

I enjoyed watching Silvagni's game and enjoy wondering what he'll be like after a couple of pre-season's. It was great to see Cunningham get his first game. I hope they let him play the next two so he goes into the post-pre season with an understanding of what is required. The 2nd half was a relief but a poor consolation for victory. I never expected we were making finals but I thought we were better than Brisbane this round. Pick 4 will be a great start at the continuation of the rebuild so I'm already looking forward to the trade period and drafts...and some departures.

Now for the half empty glass.....Probably the most disappointing aspect for me was the long bombs forward. I'll usually expect Ed Curnow and Kerridge etc, to bomb long out of congestion but when you see everyone doing it all the time, its disheartening. I even saw Gibbs bombing into the forward line. When he has the decision making ability, and skills to execute the pass, he should be looking for targets instead of just bombing it long. I know some will say that the forwards aren't presenting so the mids don't have a choice, but why is that? After one game of this, wouldn't the coaches tell them to just lead to space? In different directions? We appear to be poor at ground level as well, with that exciting forward pressure almost non existent now. Our structure really reminds me of the MM style of bombing long around the boundary, but with a zone defense that has our players run out of steam from chasing tail on the turnovers all game. Maybe it's the best strategy we can implement with this list and if that is true, I accept it. I know the list will improve so I have not lost hope.

It seemed when we created the overlap after we ran the ball out of half-back, that it created numbers for us and 8 goals to 3 in the second half. Static play leading to long bombs to packs doesn't suit us.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:47 pm 
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Talrahir wrote:
I'll always love our club, even though I am hurting today.

I enjoyed watching Silvagni's game and enjoy wondering what he'll be like after a couple of pre-season's. It was great to see Cunningham get his first game. I hope they let him play the next two so he goes into the post-pre season with an understanding of what is required. The 2nd half was a relief but a poor consolation for victory. I never expected we were making finals but I thought we were better than Brisbane this round. Pick 4 will be a great start at the continuation of the rebuild so I'm already looking forward to the trade period and drafts...and some departures.

Now for the half empty glass.....Probably the most disappointing aspect for me was the long bombs forward. I'll usually expect Ed Curnow and Kerridge etc, to bomb long out of congestion but when you see everyone doing it all the time, its disheartening. I even saw Gibbs bombing into the forward line. When he has the decision making ability, and skills to execute the pass, he should be looking for targets instead of just bombing it long. I know some will say that the forwards aren't presenting so the mids don't have a choice, but why is that? After one game of this, wouldn't the coaches tell them to just lead to space? In different directions? We appear to be poor at ground level as well, with that exciting forward pressure almost non existent now. Our structure really reminds me of the MM style of bombing long around the boundary, but with a zone defense that has our players run out of steam from chasing tail on the turnovers all game. Maybe it's the best strategy we can implement with this list and if that is true, I accept it. I know the list will improve so I have not lost hope.

It seemed when we created the overlap after we ran the ball out of half-back, that it created numbers for us and 8 goals to 3 in the second half. Static play leading to long bombs to packs doesn't suit us.

Great post.
Have you been reading my stuff?
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Blue Sombrero for coach, he knows more from his lofty position in Mehico than the experts paid to do the job.

On the other hand, Keogh, you were wrong.

You don't have to be a paid expert at something to see faults in it.
You don't even have to be an expert at anything to be a sarcastic prick but you probably knew that already. I'm sure you've been told before.



As I've said before in this forum, I expect the whole purpose for this site is for Carlton Members and Supporters (who may or may not be paid to do the job) to voice their praise, criticism, frustrations and ideas to others who want to read them. If you think we shouldn't do this because we are not paid to do the job, what's the point of this forum? and why are you here?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:54 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Not sure what you were all thinking was going to miraculously happen this year. Seriously we are in rebuild and I would hazard to guess that a few players today may not be with us next year. If you are looking for a quick fix then Mick Martyn sends his love.

I love your optimism. Keep it up. The club needs you.
But:
Tonight was worse than anything last year because of where we were two months ago.
Tonight you saw something truly unforgivable. A rabble being done by a rabble.
Two weeks ago, Justin Leppisch said his team was not AFL standard and he was playing kids who should not be playing AFL football. That's the team that shot us to ribbons for almost three quarters of football tonight. They will probably get a PP before we do and we couldn't outplay them until they were too tired to trot and we still had legs.


Just a realist BS. I'm in it for the long haul. None of these quick fixes as they never work. The Dale Thomas type quick fixes can GAGF.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:55 pm 
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Bolts is right, you know.

The rare times we beat a decent team, big expensive trades look good because we are on our way. When we lose to a side we 'should have' beaten. We are the worst thing ever to happen to football and all talks of getting things right are pointless. We did happen to finish behind this team last year and we aren't at our best. Let's do the hard work required, I'd rather follow the Melbourne route than become sub-Richmond because we can't handle the heat.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:05 pm 
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Pathetic, gutless and shit skills from the team as a whole.
They couldn't beat that rabble even when they couldn't get a touch of the football.
Our foot skills are so shit in front of goal we are just throwing opportunities away and even at the death when cool heads were needed and a bit of system, they just kept doing what has lost them games every week and bombed it long.

Anybody who thinks that last quarter counts for anything is delusional. We are in serious trouble and any amount of love and player involvement from the coach can't make a shit game plan look good. It needs a massive overhaul, especially since it is defence based. Any team defence that lets Brisbane score 7 in a quarter is doing something very wrong.

They waited almost three quarters to run the ball. Buckley first and then Simpson, Touhy and Boekhurst but it was too little too late. When they start off like that they are a different team. Why Bolton has them playing kick and mark/turnover football amazes me. I watched the Dogs and Collingwood last night and we are a mile behind both of them in the style of football we play.

Kreuzer is shot.
3 kicks, two ineffective
One mark
Five frees against
One dropped mark that led to a goal.
Not many handballs I can remember
A few hitouts against a basketball player.
Worst game he has played for us for the year. Maybe longer. Get rid of him. Tell everybody he is injured to save face.
Weitering looks injured in the trunk.
Cripps is going to end up crippled.

I am not happy with any team aspect of that debacle. A few individual plusses and that's it.
Melbourne could well beat us by 60 points next week.


Kreuzer got 14 touches, 10 kicks. did better than you thought I saw/heard nothing during the first half but listened to the 2nd half on the way home. Heard his name quite alot. So i'm guessing his first half was very bad. Phillips got 5 touches.

We really do need to drop a ruckman. As we've seen Casboult is twice the player when he has key position help, even if Jones was shit, and can move around more without 3 defenders on him. Will do even better if he can get a run on the ball and grab some marks around the ground as it suits him. Dropping a ruckman means we can pick another runner. The change in mobility would be alot.

Interesting. I counted his kicks as they happened. He may have had some off the ground in packs I missed. And I did cross to TC a few times but 10? Hmmm. I'll have to watch the tape during the week and look or any sprouts.
Regardless, he had a shocker. He wasn't alone in that regard.
Maybe you counted in Mexican...lol!


I was hearing him alot on the radio during the 2nd half so wasn't surprised he got 14 touches but i'm guessing the first half was something very poor. I did get to listen to the good bit admittedly. I'm glad I missed the first half.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:16 pm 
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Only two more games to go and we call all put 2016 behind us and look forward to 2017, and maybe get a couple of top eight scalps along the way, and a few more wins.

The really interesting stuff comes draft time and pre-season, when we get to watch these young kids grow into seasoned footballers over the journey :)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:29 pm 
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idle wrote:
Only two more games to go and we call all put 2016 behind us and look forward to 2017, and maybe get a couple of top eight scalps along the way, and a few more wins.

The really interesting stuff comes draft time and pre-season, when we get to watch these young kids grow into seasoned footballers over the journey :)


:thumbsup:

Good to see someone has retained a grasp on reality.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:31 pm 
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Are any of us really surprised with the result?
Two more weeks of torture to go.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:31 pm 
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The two crows are calling you





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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:36 pm 
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At the start of the year nobody thought we'd win more the 3-4 games. Then we got on a hot run and expectations rose, but it's time to lower the expectations again. We simply aren't very good. Kerridge, Phillips, White, Jones, Wright, Buckley and Armfield are depth player. You won't win a lot of games with all of them playing together. Add in some young guys like Plowman, Boekhorst, Silvagni, Weitering & Cuningham, who are all still learning the craft, and over half of your team is made up of guys who probably aren't quite at the required level. So then you're reliant on your senior core. Simpson, Docherty, Cripps, Gibbs and to a lesser extent Curnow and Tuohy are high quality players that can be relied on. Rowe, Casboult, Kreuzer & Thomas are also experienced players, but can't really be relied on for consistent AFL standard play. So 6 players that are genuine, AFL hardened, quality.
Let's get realistic again and recognise that we're still at the ground level of a rebuild and we need to bring further talent into our squad while phasing out that considerable list of depth players and unreliable senior players.



Why do we have to wait 5-10 years to rebuild up to a satisfactory standard? Can things get more depressing?
Please don't answer either question. I know the answer.
I am glad that the AFL is concerned about the plight of Brisbane though. They need help more than any other team. This match confirmed it.

Kreuzer and Thomas should retire at the end of the year. They offer nothing going forward. I know Kreuzer is courageous but it is clear he carries a lot of injuries. The time has come.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:45 pm 
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Stupid rhetorical question - why can't the rest of our forwards lead towards the ball like Jack and create space between themselves and their defender?


Been asking that every week. Casbolt can't run, I don't know why footy is going backwards like that, players like Casbolt are slower than your typical ruckmen in the 90's.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:58 pm 
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In the scheme of season as a whole result doesn't matter but the match last week was pathetic and the first half really ordinary
Butcher the ball continually
See stat at halfway through second quarter Brisbane had 7 goals directly from Carlton abysmal turnovers

Effort in first half very poor

Had to get better in second but always going to fall short but was symbolic that Thomas had a kick for goal to win the game and couldn't really sums up his time atCarlton

Skill errors killed us some notables jones kicking to man on the mark at chf Thomas missing Kreuz on a lead white giving a goal to Brisbane to get them going rubber chest Rowe fluffed a mark goal to Brisbane
Kerridge horrible fumbled the whole day

Ordinary games Kreuz Philips Thomas boker jones (must kick goals ) Rowe White Plowman Armfield
When will we ever kick straight and win
Really ordinary that this side beats Geelong and can't beat Brisbane who had 350 points kicked against themin the previous 2 weeks
Shocking delivery into forward line
Good today Silvagni Cripps Gibbs Simpson Casboult
In danger of losing against Bummers last round if take that attitude and lack of skill


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:03 pm 
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I thought White competed pretty hard as well. Although his awful mistake in the 1st quarter got the opposition going.


Yep, got 'em started. As soon as he turned back across goal with no obvious target I thought to myself "this won't end well". If in doubt go long down the line to the pack, hopefully to be punched over the line.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:04 pm 
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We are the Dumb and Dumber of AFL, every team especially the shit ones think they are a chance.

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