to me, that would be a huge headstart on the rebuilding side.

I'd look at Alex Rance too now he's a free agent. Gun KP defenders are hard to draft so if one comes along go for it. Provides a good base to rebuild on for young blokes coming in. You can rebuild a team around a good spine. Infinitely harder if you don't have one.

Fine by me.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Will we apply to the AFL for a "special assistance" priority pick following this years pathetic performance

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

Yep.

I don't get the hand wringing over Hendo. If someone offered a first I would take it. I like him, but hardly untradeable.

Everyone except Doc, Menzel and Yarran I would answer the phone for trade calls, outside the last 2 drafts/trade periods. Simmo as well as he is the heart beat of the playing group. In hindsight Micks worst call as coach will probably be appointing Murph as captain. It simply doesn't suit him.

Em, all of that is a bridge too far IMO. Watson is still a decent chance and will likely stick around to 2016. Holman is going to go, and Giles is probably going to go and maybe get re-rookied if he gets back on the park successfully.

I'd rather tear up Tutt's contract than Armfield's. The rookies are always a wait-and-see situation, but I think Gowers & Fields have the tools to make it; want to see more of Russell before I make a call. Walsh, Wood and Johnson gone; Byrne and Sheehan elevated.

Armfield might last another year if he can score goals and stop a rebounding defender. That helps us on-field and off-field.

So, in terms of definite delistings, that's:

Seniors list
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Out: Carrazzo, Ellard, Warnock, Tutt, Dick, Holman, Giles

In: Sheehan, Byrne


Rookie list
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Out: Wood, Johnson, Walsh

In: Giles

That's 5 ND picks before F/S selections. There'll be more off the list but that's how I'd like it to begin. The performances of Watson, Armfield, Walker, Murphy, Rowe, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Henderson will tell us a lot more about where we can go in the off-season and with the rebuilding plan.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

If true then clean out those board members as part of the rebuild

Hawks are the only club ever to do a total rebuild and taste success
And that was largely due to Wallace taking Delidio and Tambling

Im not convinced a rebuild works .
Carlton bottomed out for draft picks as did Stkilda
There is no saying the dogs and saints will rise to win a flag .

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

A clean out of Board members is a must if we want to do this right.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

I am not so sure we are going to do a pure draft rebuild. SOS has spend money on a money ball system based on the Red Sox program. I believe they will chase actively in the 20-23 bracket as part of the rebuild.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Mate wallace did that at richmond not hawthorn

He's saying Richmond's mistakes opened the door for Hawthorn to select the best talent.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

yeah but wallace gifted the hawks franklin and roughhead

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Collingwood did it too; got lucky with Cloke F/S.

Tanked for Pendlebury and Thomas

Of course there are different ways of building to a premiership.

Hawthorn won a premiership without Franklin and used trades astutely to acquire Burgoyne, Gunston, J Gibson, McEvoy. Not all via tanking/bottoming out.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Cannot include the judge. ..hes the one making the changes

I would say they overpaid for Gibson, and took a sizeable risk with Burgoyne, but they fit their system well. Gotta remember that Burgoyne is now 32; Gibson 31.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

We started this rebuild 2 years ago. We have cleared out 25 players. The rebuild statement needed to come out in 2012, when it was obvious to some on this forum. MM assessed the list and before the end of 2013 told the board we needed a cleanout (rebuild). He isnt responsible for this

Sure. Not saying everybody - but lets start with the Pratt's...

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

If Waton gets a new contract I'll go ape ****

Not necessarily. ..hawthorn still selected right....we had talia on a plate and stuffed it up for example

Pratt is.embarrassing ...shes into opera...