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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:57 pm 
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Nothing about today's practice match suggests we should play Whiley or Casboult.

More to be said about Fields, Buckley, Byrne, Graham and Viojo-Rainbow. Anyone accumulating possessions at stoppages when we have no spread is part of the reason we have no spread.


Accumulating possessions winning the ball is one role, then then you want him to pass the ball to his spreading self. :?

Sorry jimmae but how do you reach that conclusion?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:17 pm 
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Whilst I may have agreed with you on most things in the match day summary I am totally in disagreement with you summation of Henderson and the empirical evidence you choose to use you blame squarely on Hendo.

Jimmae look at the statistical truths and see if you can summon a portion of the blame on the midfield. That's where I see as the major problem. Get the ball tick. Pass to one of our own tick. Get caught stopped and pressured and the ball didn't go to the forward line, nor to outside runners coz there weren't any and defensively another 2 out of 10.

The ball didn't get to our forward line for long long periods. When our mids were presenting in the forward line (at times adding to the congestion) their disposal was just rubbish.

Hendo was guilty of missing some 50/50 marking contests that he would normally be elite when in red hot form but they were 50/50 high lobs in the air. Those sort of passes are for the likes of Casboult types. The mids served up nothing or crap...not Hendos doing.

Within the context of that one quote I can understand why you think I'm solely blaming Henderson, but that's not the case I assure you. I just want him to help set us up from defence and have a forward that can convert more targets into opportunities.

The midfield needs work but that's at the clearances because we've had plenty of runners come and go, while we win the clearances and rarely create space for them, creating pressure on the incoming ball. That, combined with the early leads to the ball carrier, create the shoddy entries.

When you have multiple players delivering the football poorly it's likely a systemic issue; when you have one bloke leading early, it's one bloke.

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jimmae wrote:
Nothing about today's practice match suggests we should play Whiley or Casboult.

More to be said about Fields, Buckley, Byrne, Graham and Viojo-Rainbow. Anyone accumulating possessions at stoppages when we have no spread is part of the reason we have no spread.


Accumulating possessions winning the ball is one role, then then you want him to pass the ball to his spreading self. :?

Sorry jimmae but how do you reach that conclusion?

It's reflective of what he and the clearance group are doing with the ball and the space they're creating for the runners. If it's anything like at senior level, it's a bunch of 1v1 midfield battles instead of a coordinated group. You'll notice the lead possession winners are the contested ball guys and the flankers.

Anyone with speed that was put into a midfield role wouldn't get the ball because their direct opponent had free reign to scrag, subject to the umpire noticing.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:33 pm 
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We are a club screaming for a KPF to step up and the number 1 candidate in our VFL side is playing ruck all day??? Am I the only one that finds that disturbing?


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I would bring in Ellard
He is a good defensive forward that has the ability to chime in with a couple of goals

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:33 pm 
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Hibbo wrote:
We are a club screaming for a KPF to step up and the number 1 candidate in our VFL side is playing ruck all day??? Am I the only one that finds that disturbing?

maybe they think he will improve his goal kicking by playing ruck...

we have no forward structure atm - so lets throw random backline players (rowe/jacksch) and ruck men to pinch hit rather than try to develop someone who actually looks to be one of the very few players on our list that seems suitedto play as a permanent forward (henderson is easily a better player down back)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:19 pm 
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Wood will be beaten every Week.



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Sydney Blue wrote:
I would bring in Ellard
He is a good defensive forward that has the ability to chime in with a couple of goals


5 taggers would be excellent

BTW he can't kick either

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:54 am 
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Yes, definitely need to be more defensive. Become even more stop start. 13 taggers is ideal.

The lack of outside run was stark on Thursday night. Then read the vfl report...tutt, boekhorst, Buckley, rainbow.

and casboult played in the ruck :screwy:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:59 am 
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Hibbo wrote:
We are a club screaming for a KPF to step up and the number 1 candidate in our VFL side is playing ruck all day??? Am I the only one that finds that disturbing?

Who's that?
Casboult? He can't kick can't run.. Can't chase...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:18 am 
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Should only have one tagger. Too negative having more than one.

If it's or Curnow or White ? ...take your pick


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:41 am 
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Given we don't have a forward structure (and arguably no structure anywhere else!) why not play White forward with the brief of applying pressure on their backs & stop their run out.

We made spuds like Hunt, Houli, etc look like world beaters.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:51 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Given we don't have a forward structure (and arguably no structure anywhere else!) why not play White forward with the brief of applying pressure on their backs & stop their run out.

We made spuds like Hunt, Houli, etc look like world beaters.



Credit where credit is due.


We've made Hunt look like a world beater at 2 clubs.

We should get a prize for that.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:50 am 
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jimmae wrote:
FB: Docherty Jamison Rowe
HB: Yarran Henderson Tuohy
CC: Gibbs Murphy Simpson
HF: Walker Everitt Bell
FF: Menzel Watson Jones

RR: Wood Cripps Judd

Int: Carrazzo Curnow Buckley
Sub: Boekhorst

Revising this to:

FB: Docherty Jamison Rowe
HB: Yarran Henderson Tuohy
CC: Gibbs Murphy Simpson
HF: Tutt Everitt Bell
FF: Menzel Watson Jones

RR: Wood Cripps Judd

Int: Carrazzo Curnow Buckley
Sub: Walker

EMG: Boekhorst Armfield Casboult

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:56 am 
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two tuohy's

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:59 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
two tuohy's


Foury's?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:05 pm 
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hey...wearing glasses is cool man!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:11 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
hey...wearing glasses is cool man!!


:grin:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:18 pm 
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Haha - meant to be Simpson in both, apologies.

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two simpsons !?!?!

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it doesn't matter who we play or interchange if we don't play a properly structured spine and game plan we will never succeed

having link hit up players moving continuously and direct you will always look fast and dangerous


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