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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:09 pm 
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Would love to get Josh Kennedy from the Hawks...I rate him very highly.


Wish they'd listened to me 5 years ago instead of @#$%&! around with a Brock McLean deal...

...but this is just the thing. Posting your thoughts/grievances on a forum doesn't achieve much.

brocks been one of our better uses of a top 12 pick...remember the pick right after was lucas...

but yeah i agree with the logic.. but only if we were any other club......

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:13 pm 
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bax wrote:
We have a great coach, couldn't get a win against Melbourne or GWS
We have a great coach, he got us Dale Thomas
We have a great coach, he let Eddie Betts go
We have a great coach, he loves players like Ellard and Curnow.

:banghead: :banghead:

yeah i agree eddie should have stayed
waite and carrazzo should have been moved on
judd should have been on 350

...and no Thomas?

dont worry.. thomas will give u more servce going forward than judd carrazzo and waite...put together.

u can take that to the bank

bargain compared to whats been going on ....

absolute steal

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:16 pm 
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We have a club that should always make the 8, bottom end of it admittedly. Given we've played 4 of the last 5 finals series that's a fair summary. As far as a coach goes, obviously an outstanding career but won't coach this team to their strengths instead coaching to his own theories. Those theories don't work in our club.

Biggest problem is that we are lazy, have a poor work ethic, poor culture and poor attitude. 4 coaches have had a go at sorting those problems since 2001 and the closest to being remotely successful was Ratts. Even then those traits often popped up.

Then we can talk about our drafting, another reason why we vary between where we are now and the bottom regions of the 8. No excuse for a lack of work ethic and attitude though.

This club can put on bursts of scintillating football, showing they are capable. That's often when we are 5 goals behind where we produce a sudden run of goals and hit the lead 15 minutes later. Then we can play absolute lazy, poor crap too, like the 3rd qtr tonight.

We are never safe when 5 goals in front and never out of it when 5 goals behind.

This is all true.
The culture is not good and every week, win or lose, we play scintilating footy for moments, steady for moments and have out little lapses.
The weather helped in the first half by bring the game down to a slogfest but with a new footy and a burt of speed early in the third we were shot. The old culture surfaced. Lapses against St St Kilda are one thing and we saw them get back into the game last week in the second, but lapses against good sides are usually more costly.

People are bagging Bell for tonight's effort. OK, he went missing when they all went missing but he was hard at it and got plenty of the footy in the first half. He gave away one free for htb when he was the only player going for it and after he had worried the ball 25 metres towards our goal but he was one of the few who had a fair dinkum consistent crack at it. While people were calling him a retard, he was kicking a disallowed goal, getting down and dirty, crumbing, tackling and then finishing off a nice play with a goal of his own. I think Bell is the least of our worries. He isn't Sam Mitchell. Nor is he Chris Judd but he gives 100% of what he has and is and he does get hold of the footy. He was better than Touhy, Docherty, Simpson, Ellard, maybe MacLean, maybe Yarran in that first half. He suffers from being compared to Kouta so we think that if he isn't Kouta he is a retard.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:18 pm 
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Well Malthouse thought it was a pretty good list ... :smoking:

And Malthouse thought that Swanny was the best in the business ... and he thought that Sticks was an excellent CEO .... and we know that Dr Strangelove is never wrong.

Lets face it ... the club has gone backwards at a million miles an hour since Tricky Micky took over ... its no surprise to those who are willing to take of their rose colored glasses.

Meanwhile ... we burn.


Look I've ignored the stupidity of your posts for a while but really if MM is such a problem doesn't that say more about the club than it does about him. The fact we chased him. The fact we pay him so much, the fact we listened (or didn't according to some) to him about our list, our CEO, our everythings..... You're like a dog barking at the front door while the house is emptied from entry at the back.

This club is useless, MM is just being paid to coach it. Even a great coach (and I don't think he is) coaching at a useless club will still end up being a coach of a useless club... Until the club gets its shit together the coach is just another brick in the wall.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:19 pm 
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Rob's Rant Random Observations..

Not really anything I can say about tonight's game that I haven't said a dozen times before. If you really want to know where and why we lost it tonight just go back and read any Rob's Rant from the last 4 months.
We lack the personel and the skills too match the top sides and it we are unable to match opposition sides for intensity for the full 4 qtrs.

Just a few points:

** Watching Chris Yarran laugh it up with Buddy during the 3rd qtr after Buddy kicked yet another goal was absolutely sickening!! - i have said it since day 1 that Yarran is a selfish soft down hill skier and doesn't actually give a crap about the team.
It was one of the most disgraceful things I have seen in a long time.
All this from a player that has never been prepared to put his body on the line and would rather do the flamboyant low % act rather than the team orientated hard ball act.
Clearly Yarran doesn't actually give a shit hence there is no place for him in our side, drop him for next week and then shop him around for trade at years end.
Piss off Yaz.

For F*#K's sake Yaz at least pretend you give a shit!!

** When I see Daisy Thomas play it makes me want to puke.

** Ellard is useless, how the hell does he get a game?? - 5 possessions in 3 qtrs for a guy who can supposedly play on the ball. (His replacement Graham has 6 possessions in 1 qtr, further illustrating MM has no idea how to use the sub and who should be sub)

** Warnock had a shocker yet again. 2 Disposals in a whole match, it is like playing with one less player on the field. Time to go back to the Northern Blues Knockers.

** The decline in Touhy is astounding

** Every time we play Swans we let McVeigh off the chain, any chance that we ever try to shut him down with a tag??? Kennedy was awesome tonight and was just about unstoppable despite several attempted tags.

** really liked the games of Murphy and Gibbs - their onfield leadership cannot be questioned anymore.

** Hendo, Simmo, Doc, Casboult all tried hard.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:20 pm 
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bax wrote:
We have a great coach, couldn't get a win against Melbourne or GWS
We have a great coach, he got us Dale Thomas
We have a great coach, he let Eddie Betts go
We have a great coach, he loves players like Ellard and Curnow.

:banghead: :banghead:


Betts was gone before Malthouse even arrived. The Adelaide prez virtually announced ater the 2014 pre-season they had Eddie at the end of 2012. He played the entire 2013 season with us knowing he was going to Adelaide at the end of the year.

If you don't understand the concept of free agency, you should read up about it.

Bang your head against that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:20 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
bax wrote:
We have a great coach, couldn't get a win against Melbourne or GWS
We have a great coach, he got us Dale Thomas
We have a great coach, he let Eddie Betts go
We have a great coach, he loves players like Ellard and Curnow.

:banghead: :banghead:

yeah i agree eddie should have stayed
waite and carrazzo should have been moved on
judd should have been on 350

...and no Thomas?

dont worry.. thomas will give u more servce going forward than judd carrazzo and waite...put together.

u can take that to the bank

bargain compared to whats been going on ....

absolute steal


Bargain, it'll go down as our worst deal of the century!! Really I don't why you keep defending him, he isn't going to get any better, always thought he was overrated. He's almost invisible out there and when gets it he generally turns it over..... So tell me, what's he briging to the club that's so great..... Please explain?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:23 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Well Malthouse thought it was a pretty good list ... :smoking:

And Malthouse thought that Swanny was the best in the business ... and he thought that Sticks was an excellent CEO .... and we know that Dr Strangelove is never wrong.

Lets face it ... the club has gone backwards at a million miles an hour since Tricky Micky took over ... its no surprise to those who are willing to take of their rose colored glasses.

Meanwhile ... we burn.


Look I've ignored the stupidity of your posts for a while but really if MM is such a problem doesn't that say more about the club than it does about him. The fact we chased him. The fact we pay him so much, the fact we listened (or didn't according to some) to him about our list, our CEO, our everythings..... You're like a dog barking at the front door while the house is emptied from entry at the back.

This club is useless, MM is just being paid to coach it. Even a great coach (and I don't think he is) coaching at a useless club will still end up being a coach of a useless club... Until the club gets its shit together the coach is just another brick in the wall.


well said....those who bang it all on malthouse are deluded about the much bigger issues


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:23 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Well Malthouse thought it was a pretty good list ... :smoking:

And Malthouse thought that Swanny was the best in the business ... and he thought that Sticks was an excellent CEO .... and we know that Dr Strangelove is never wrong.

Lets face it ... the club has gone backwards at a million miles an hour since Tricky Micky took over ... its no surprise to those who are willing to take of their rose colored glasses.

Meanwhile ... we burn.


Look I've ignored the stupidity of your posts for a while but really if MM is such a problem doesn't that say more about the club than it does about him. The fact we chased him. The fact we pay him so much, the fact we listened (or didn't according to some) to him about our list, our CEO, our everythings..... You're like a dog barking at the front door while the house is emptied from entry at the back.

This club is useless, MM is just being paid to coach it. Even a great coach (and I don't think he is) coaching at a useless club will still end up being a coach of a useless club... Until the club gets its shit together the coach is just another brick in the wall.


Cattle.
Yards and other infrastructure.
Buyers at the auctions.
Drovers.

We don't have any of them. Once upon a time a drover's dog could have coached us.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:23 pm 
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For anyone in doubt (anyone ....?), this is where we are at ...


It took us 4 quarters to do to St Kilda what the Swans did to us in 1

Absolutely no doubt Kenny

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:24 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Well Malthouse thought it was a pretty good list ... :smoking:

And Malthouse thought that Swanny was the best in the business ... and he thought that Sticks was an excellent CEO .... and we know that Dr Strangelove is never wrong.

Lets face it ... the club has gone backwards at a million miles an hour since Tricky Micky took over ... its no surprise to those who are willing to take of their rose colored glasses.

Meanwhile ... we burn.


Look I've ignored the stupidity of your posts for a while but really if MM is such a problem doesn't that say more about the club than it does about him. The fact we chased him. The fact we pay him so much, the fact we listened (or didn't according to some) to him about our list, our CEO, our everythings..... You're like a dog barking at the front door while the house is emptied from entry at the back.

This club is useless, MM is just being paid to coach it. Even a great coach (and I don't think he is) coaching at a useless club will still end up being a coach of a useless club... Until the club gets its shit together the coach is just another brick in the wall.


yes. and absolutely.
burn the club down and start again. (metaphorically speaking)
fresh air, ventilation, respectfulness, inclusiveness....great footy minds, innovative ideas..collaboration.
#whereforeouthosethings?
but........
seeing as we are so pathetic and will be for some time,
can we
at least
get rid of this patronising old bastard
at pressers,
and get someone articulate,
who does not try and humiliate others when
things have not gone his way?
He just makes everything worse.
Sam Lane did not deserve the absolute crap he gave her.
Just F@#& the hell off MM.
and if we must have him, can we ban him from pressers please?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:25 pm 
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london blue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Well Malthouse thought it was a pretty good list ... :smoking:

And Malthouse thought that Swanny was the best in the business ... and he thought that Sticks was an excellent CEO .... and we know that Dr Strangelove is never wrong.

Lets face it ... the club has gone backwards at a million miles an hour since Tricky Micky took over ... its no surprise to those who are willing to take of their rose colored glasses.

Meanwhile ... we burn.


Look I've ignored the stupidity of your posts for a while but really if MM is such a problem doesn't that say more about the club than it does about him. The fact we chased him. The fact we pay him so much, the fact we listened (or didn't according to some) to him about our list, our CEO, our everythings..... You're like a dog barking at the front door while the house is emptied from entry at the back.

This club is useless, MM is just being paid to coach it. Even a great coach (and I don't think he is) coaching at a useless club will still end up being a coach of a useless club... Until the club gets its shit together the coach is just another brick in the wall.


well said....those who bang it all on malthouse are deluded about the much bigger issues


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How many games until the season is over?


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missnaut wrote:
How many games until the season is over?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:30 pm 
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bax wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
bax wrote:
We have a great coach, couldn't get a win against Melbourne or GWS
We have a great coach, he got us Dale Thomas
We have a great coach, he let Eddie Betts go
We have a great coach, he loves players like Ellard and Curnow.

:banghead: :banghead:

yeah i agree eddie should have stayed
waite and carrazzo should have been moved on
judd should have been on 350

...and no Thomas?

dont worry.. thomas will give u more servce going forward than judd carrazzo and waite...put together.

u can take that to the bank

bargain compared to whats been going on ....

absolute steal


Bargain, it'll go down as our worst deal of the century!! Really I don't why you keep defending him, he isn't going to get any better, always thought he was overrated. He's almost invisible out there and when gets it he generally turns it over..... So tell me, what's he bringing to the club that's so great..... Please explain?

Well apparently he is a great trainer so he brings leadership and example to the younger ones.
he is an extrovert in a club that has been crying out for extroverts for years.
He is a premiership player so he brings experience to the team.
He is a public figure so he gets publicity for the sponsors. They like that.
He can play footy whether you like to believe it or not and he will play good footy again. He's the same age as Murphy and could easily have gone #1 in that draft.
How's that for starters? The price tag? Well, we will have to see. If he brings more than $700k through the till per year regardless of how, he's a good investment. This is, after all just a business masquerading as a game of sport.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:30 pm 
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Tonight was a look into the future. This will be the lot of many of the Victorian clubs for the foreseeable future. Our time has passed, we had our chances with the draft and blew it. With the advantages Sydney continue to enjoy, with the AFL all but ensuring GC and GWS will become superpowers, the competition is in danger of becoming like British soccer with the same few rich, powerful teams fighting out the title each year. The expansion teams must succeed, if that means Victorian clubs suffer, so be it.

Carlton, Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, it'll be years before these clubs are able to challenge again. Unlike us, Hawthorn and Geelong recruited well and have had success, but their superstars are ageing and they'll soon enough be scrabbling around in the bottom half of the ladder. Collingwood and Richmond are on the slide. North are finals bound but haven't a premiership side and then there's Essendon* in the middle order and unlikely to challenge for a flag either.

What is the odds some Victorian clubs will be shipped interstate or overseas before too long? Northern Territory Crocs, or Tassie Tigers anyone? New Zealand Kiwis? Hell, let's thing big. What about the Los Angeles Blues? Oh, think of the largesse the AFL would heap on us then! Might be our only chance of a flag in the next twenty odd years.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:32 pm 
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bax wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
bax wrote:
We have a great coach, couldn't get a win against Melbourne or GWS
We have a great coach, he got us Dale Thomas
We have a great coach, he let Eddie Betts go
We have a great coach, he loves players like Ellard and Curnow.

:banghead: :banghead:

yeah i agree eddie should have stayed
waite and carrazzo should have been moved on
judd should have been on 350

...and no Thomas?

dont worry.. thomas will give u more servce going forward than judd carrazzo and waite...put together.

u can take that to the bank

bargain compared to whats been going on ....

absolute steal


Bargain, it'll go down as our worst deal of the century!! Really I don't why you keep defending him, he isn't going to get any better, always thought he was overrated. He's almost invisible out there and when gets it he generally turns it over..... So tell me, what's he briging to the club that's so great..... Please explain?


Thomas is a bust, has already played his best football

that decision to recruit him has topped off what has been a deplorable 5 years of recruiting and player development


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missnaut wrote:
How many games until the season is over?

It was over weeks ago. Maybe even months ago. After the Melbourne loss, I think it ended for me.
We just haven't realized it yet.

I'm like a mouse looking into the eyes of a snake. I know I shouldn't get up at 0400 to watch them play but I'm mesmerized and can't help myself.

But I'm pretty sure it's over.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:33 pm 
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What were people expecting? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:33 pm 
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Without the Essendon* thread to keep us sane we would've all gone crazy this year, by far our worst year since the Pagan years.

Thank goodness for Essendon*!


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