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Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.



A) He said We were top 4 even a tilt at the flag if the start aligned
B) Not a positive
C) white consistently injured and rowe had what a handful of games, but any reasoning for micks genius
D) two weeks ago he still couldn’t kick, micks been here for two years
E) gibbs finally got extended time in the middle, takes time for micky to do what he says these days
F) one that worked, but have to say again took him a season to get there
G) simmo took time to get back to his own game after the jaw, he was also sooking from not been picked to be captain but paraded like a contestant
H) thanks Essendon* and Richmond, got thumped by a depleted Sydney in the next one (20 possies in one quarter by their captain, great coaching)

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if it suits him of course

I suppose it's not as far off the mark as the flags in two years...
You obviously don't understand public consumption stuff....

Behind closed doors at board meetings he said something else...

Just saying...


Personally I'm expecting him to be given three year extension...

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Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
if it suits him of course

I suppose it's not as far off the mark as the flags in two years...
You obviously don't understand public consumption stuff....

Behind closed doors at board meetings he said something else...
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1. a source that could back that statement up would be good.

2. Are you implying that Mick is a liar?

If what you say is true, and I assume the players would know this as well, that is total suicide for a coach at any club. In fact its curtains for anybody in any position of authority or management of people

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Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

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Er.... the BIG Lie is alive and well on TC lately. This could be Bomberblitz. First of all the record is actually as follows : Ratten missed the finals by quite a bit in his last year. In the following year, with a worse list, Mick rook us to equal 5th. You can have all the excuses in the world, but THAT . IS. WHAT. HAPPENED. END OF STORY.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved



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Er.... the BIG Lie is alive and well on TC lately. This could be Bomberblitz. First of all the record is actually as follows : Ratten missed the finals by quite a bit in his last year. In the following year, with a worse list, Mick rook us to equal 5th. You can have all the excuses in the world, but THAT . IS. WHAT. HAPPENED. END OF STORY.


In 2012 we won 11 games and ended up 10th

We ended up 9th in 2013 with 11 wins, and beat the Tigers who shit themselves in the second half (thanks Bombers for the points)


Did you watch the following week against the swans - one of the most disgraceful performances I have seen from a Carlton team.

We also lost the first 3 in 2013 under Mick and the first 4 this year.

I also notice Mr M that you neglected to mention the injuries we had in 2012 compared to 2013? Especially to key players.

And why was the list in 2013 worse than 2012? Almost identical.

Nobody is saying Mick is bad coach, but as carlton suporters we can only go on the results and changes he is responsible for over the past 18 months.

And Mick himself would admit that things haven't quite worked out as he imagined - even though I don't think he will ever admit that and take responsibility for it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:19 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon*.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:25 pm 
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bigfella wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon**.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.


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bigfella wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon**.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.


How do you think Hinkley has gone since taking over at Port at the end of 2012?

He took over at the same time we hired Mick didn't he?. Port were bottom 3 in 2012 with 5 wins. Nobody wanted to coach them, rated their list as bottom 3. No money, Needed an AFL bail out of 9 million over 3 years so they didn't go under. Their revenue is 39 million, bottom 5. we have 57 million. we spend 21 million on the footy department, they spend 14 million.

AFL coaches association Coach of the year in 2013 was Ken Hinkley (bottom 3 paid coaches in the league - Mick is top 3 - something not right there don't you think?)

He didn't need 11 wins and help from fitzy to make the finals in 2013

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dane wrote:
Does that post count?


I was very fortunate lately Mr dane - I was given an undisclosed number of [FREEBIES] by management

See, that's the advantage of truly being free - you can make up your own rules and regulations

But officially my suspension ends on August 17th at 9:25 AM roughly when Hird is supposed to return

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When are 'they' going to revoke these freebies?

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When are 'they' going to revoke these freebies?



....not sure, they came in a brown paper bag like some of O'Reily's pay

This is the UN management mind you - lots of beuracracy

Don't tell me that you think Mick has performed to his high standards since arriving?

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bigfella wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon**.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.

just look at the win/loss column
that gives you a clear perspective on how Malthouse is going
16 wins 21 losses with about 6 ot 7 more to come .
so dont give me this bullshit we have improved
they have all gone backwards

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the serial numbers look authentic and I checked them with Mr S

all looks above board - although I may run it through the accounts department at the EFC* - heard they run a very tight ship now

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:10 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon***.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.

just look at the win/loss column
that gives you a clear perspective on how Malthouse is going
16 wins 21 losses with about 6 ot 7 more to come .
so dont give me this bullshit we have improved
they have all gone backwards

Did I say at any point that we have improved? I'm not blind, I can read the ladder, I can see the output on the field. I just think you're ignoring some very important factors in why players haven't performed.


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