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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:26 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:19 am 
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I'm actually glad I only saw Watsons pathetic game from my arm chair....I reckon had I witnessed that shit at the game, I'd have been a very angry woman....

Besides the glaringly obvious changers that have already been mentioned....there were so many contests where there was ZERO urgency, it's as if he stands there and reaches both his arms up as if making a token gesture....feet firmly planted on the ground....the difference between his defending and rowes ....well it's just embarrassing for the spud head....


... I hated the pick at the time and I hate it even more now.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:41 am 
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Watson should never play in a Carlton jumper again.
Id rather play anybody else ahead of him.
Both his AFL games this year have been pathetic!!!


People can smash Watson all they like. He's a kid completely bereft of confidence (and maybe ability and intensity)

But time and time again, Murphy, Walker and Touhy let us down this year. Focus on them rather Watson

So if Watson kicks that goal and we get momentum, we may have made the game closer. Watson may have even kicked another one with his confidence high. Who knows

Bottom line is he MISSED. Is he the only player to have missed from 30 out?

If we can turn Rowe into a backman, we can experiment with Watson in the forward line (and for more than 15 minutes)

I'd give him the last 10 games to play FF. Give Fev a short term mentoring/coaching contract to work with him intensely for the rest of the year

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:48 am 
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Miss was nothing.... It was his antics deep in defence that have me scratching my flower head.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:14 am 
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Drop him. Forever!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:44 am 
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99prelim wrote:

If we can turn Rowe into a backman, we can experiment with Watson in the forward line (and for more than 15 minutes)

I'd give him the last 10 games to play FF. Give Fev a short term mentoring/coaching contract to work with him intensely for the rest of the year


You lost me there
If I was a Carlton player, I would have chaired him off the ground.
He'll never wear the navy blue jumper again

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:58 am 
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I get the feeling that by electing to not play jamieson and henderson who imo could have played albeit with minor injuries, mick was unofficially waving the white flag for 2014. If that is the case then the next 8 rounds will be all about giving responsibility to the fringe players to see what they do. I expect malthouse to keep playing watson until he either shows something or definitively proves that 2014 will be his last year. Casboult and Rowe seem to be showing enough that they will continue to be developed and playing senior football for the rest of the year.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:11 am 
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AGRO wrote:
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I feel sorry for Watson.... He might have played his Last game for the Club. For such a booming kick, It's frustrating to see him not develop into a good player. Sad & disappointing :(


He's in for his kicking but couldn't hit a target from 15 metres away in the first quarter that cost a goal, and should have nailed his shot for goal from 30 metres in the third quarter that would have put us 3 goals in front.

If only his target was someone's back pocket from 60 metres away. :roll:



Countless times he was caught goalside of his direct opponent and/ or the ball. He has without a doubt the worst awareness and anticipation of any player I've seen. Not only is he aggravatingly slow, he has no engine at all and was blowing by about the 15 minute mark after his direct actions or inactions led straight to hawthorn goals.


Worse than all of that though, is the guy plays with zero passion or urgency.

At the moment it's no exaggeration to say he's a blight on our club and jersey. I'd like to meet the scout and recruiter that picked him at number 18 and possibly commit a heinous crime upon them.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:19 am 
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Both sides undermanned, they have more class and more system. Rowe makes the most of his talent and is a serviceable backman and seems to have the character to make the team better on and off the field. He'll get beaten but never for want of effort. Thomas is just a good ordinary player at the moment and playing at about 40% value for his $s. Really needs to turn it around next year. just okay is not good enough for the money he is on. Gibbs has played with much more grit and intensity in the last 2 weeks. juddy is a superstar and still our most influential player. levi is developing well and can really take a grab. Waite looks gone to me. Just a cameo mark here and there and not much else. Warnock is just an average ruckman, shown up by Ceglar (who??). He gets a million knockouts that we get liitle advantage from and takes about one genuinely contested mark a year. Brock McLean is a good trier, but is just a link man who doesn't hurt the oppo much and he is very slow. Give Graham a genuine run at it.

We battled hard but we are now in brave loss territory along with the Bulldogs and Brisbane, not a good place to be.

MM gave a much better perfomance at the presser, not sure if he was told to act his age by the hierarchy but he answered questions like an intelligent middleaged man in charge of a big sporting team, rather than being the churlish teenager he normally is. Spoke very well re Rowe.

Tripping free against Waite was a shocker. One of the few good chases and tackles Waite has doen recently and he gets pinged.

Hard to criticise Watson, he just looked awful and his confidence is totally shot, I felt sorry for him. 0ur record with picks 8 - 25 continues - Lucas, Hartlett, Bower, hampson, grigg, Bootsma, Russell....


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:24 am 
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I thought all things considered, Rowe outpointed roughhead. Watson was on roughhead for 2 of his goals, and Rowe was only exposed in the footrace that went over the back in toward goal. Some of roughhead's service was impeccable and Rowe held his ground and spoiled or completely bodied roughnut outta the way and took the mark himself.

Rowe was in our best, and he probs had the toughest assignment of the night.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:41 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
Both sides undermanned, they have more class and more system. Rowe makes the most of his talent and is a serviceable backman and seems to have the character to make the team better on and off the field. He'll get beaten but never for want of effort. Thomas is just a good ordinary player at the moment and playing at about 40% value for his $s. Really needs to turn it around next year. just okay is not good enough for the money he is on. Gibbs has played with much more grit and intensity in the last 2 weeks. juddy is a superstar and still our most influential player. levi is developing well and can really take a grab. Waite looks gone to me. Just a cameo mark here and there and not much else. Warnock is just an average ruckman, shown up by Ceglar (who??). He gets a million knockouts that we get liitle advantage from and takes about one genuinely contested mark a year. Brock McLean is a good trier, but is just a link man who doesn't hurt the oppo much and he is very slow. Give Graham a genuine run at it.

We battled hard but we are now in brave loss territory along with the Bulldogs and Brisbane, not a good place to be.

MM gave a much better perfomance at the presser, not sure if he was told to act his age by the hierarchy but he answered questions like an intelligent middleaged man in charge of a big sporting team, rather than being the churlish teenager he normally is. Spoke very well re Rowe.

Tripping free against Waite was a shocker. One of the few good chases and tackles Waite has doen recently and he gets pinged.

Hard to criticise Watson, he just looked awful and his confidence is totally shot, I felt sorry for him. 0ur record with picks 8 - 25 continues - Lucas, Hartlett, Bower, hampson, grigg, Bootsma, Russell....


Feel sorry for him. Pfft.

He'd be on $200k minimum & what has he showed in 4 years? His lack of urgency on the field is glaring. Does he do any extra sessions to try to improve this or any other aspect where he his deficient?
Aerobic capacity, skills, bodywork, spoiling, etc

Just another good U18 player who found the step up too hard.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:26 pm 
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I'm liking Rowe more and more every week. Decision making getting better, seems more aware of his limitations, and a great competitor.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:32 pm 
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..in all seriousness, some of the posts regarding watto are out of line.. ..flat out over the top.. ..a developing key position player, has only played eighteen games.. ..vfl is miles off afl tempo and standards, we haven't got a strong back six last night to help him.. ..he makes some ordinary mistakes which are all nerves, he is a more skilled player than those nervous mistakes.. ..he is understandably nervous, up against a very strong team, and with nervous defenders around him.. ..rowe played with the most composure of our back six, credit to him, but keep it in mind when considering watto..

..little team work down back, some panicky moments by more experienced players around him, no wonder he was nervous.. ..a few times players burned him as well, putting him under needless pressure or ignoring him when in space.. ..robbo's second goal, watto cruised past for the long kick, robbo waved him away.. ..well within watto's range and accuracy, on the limit for robbo.. ..when watto made those early mistakes, where was the support and encouragement..?.. ....the brief foray up forward, makes space and marks well.. ..didn't kick the goal, but didn't shank the kick, just narrowly missed.. ..he is a defender, plenty of forwards missed easier goals with the same kicking skill, Menz for example..

..I actually think he was ok, you just need to be patient with some of the kids.. ..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:38 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..


The bloke was drafted with his only AFL attribute being that he is an elite kick ... my only expectation was that he could kick over a jam tin. Last night he couldn't!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:47 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..in all seriousness, some of the posts regarding watto are out of line.. ..flat out over the top.. ..a developing key position player, has only played eighteen games.. ..vfl is miles off afl tempo and standards, we haven't got a strong back six last night to help him.. ..he makes some ordinary mistakes which are all nerves, he is a more skilled player than those nervous mistakes.. ..he is understandably nervous, up against a very strong team, and with nervous defenders around him.. ..rowe played with the most composure of our back six, credit to him, but keep it in mind when considering watto..

..little team work down back, some panicky moments by more experienced players around him, no wonder he was nervous.. ..a few times players burned him as well, putting him under needless pressure or ignoring him when in space.. ..robbo's second goal, watto cruised past for the long kick, robbo waved him away.. ..well within watto's range and accuracy, on the limit for robbo.. ..when watto made those early mistakes, where was the support and encouragement..?.. ....the brief foray up forward, makes space and marks well.. ..didn't kick the goal, but didn't shank the kick, just narrowly missed.. ..he is a defender, plenty of forwards missed easier goals with the same kicking skill, Menz for example..

..I actually think he was ok, you just need to be patient with some of the kids.. ..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..


watson is a bust. Can't run, can't defend, has no engine or agility, and far worse than all of that ... Zero energy, intensity and urgency. You can't train any of those elements into him either. He's a liability.

delist him and move onto the next kid.

Time to cut our losses on the deadwood cluttering up the list if we're serious about winning. Lucas will go with him, as we can't teach courage either.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:53 pm 
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I tell you what, if Cyril had better connection on papolu (sp?) it would have made my season highlight reel, if in fact I ever have a highlight reel.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:04 pm 
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..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..


The bloke was drafted with his only AFL attribute being that he is an elite kick ... my only expectation was that he could kick over a jam tin. Last night he couldn't!!!


..nerves, not a skill issue.. ..is it reasonable to allow him some early nervous moments against the reigning premiers..?.. ..in his 18th game..?..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:09 pm 
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their bottom tier of players are better than our bottom tier of players

pretty much all it came down to last night

we just made too many errors at they punished them.

can we stop handballing to our teammates feet too? that would be nice

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:33 pm 
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Only thing i liked last night was casbolt mark and goals i have said that he could be our tomahawk in 2015.The rest was same old bullshitand at the end of the day we lost 5goals.


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