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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:29 pm 
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The way things look, no one will want to jump to Carlton unless they are paid high $$$ and have generous severance terms inserted into the contract in the event of a departure prior to the end of the contract term.

We're going to pay over the odds already no matter which way we look at it.

I still haven't renewed my membership. Still querying whether I should. Bought my first one immediately after our first wooden spoon and have continued to do so despite being living in Sydney.

We are worse than a rabble.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:34 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Ah ... i forgot about Hughes and Rogers at Freo. Jeez freo was bad back then. haha.

I wasn't meaning don't get rid of rogers ... just four months out from the 2014 draft, at least have a list or an inkling as to who you might replace him with.

Sniff around the football departments of other successful clubs/ programs and and have a chat to a few 2IC's ... see if their philosphy is something we want to buy into, or something we need.

There you go Carlton, we just started the process for you.


Such as getting Geelongs 2IC? :wink:


Who's to say st kilda or melbs don't have a 2IC with big ideas and an excellent philosophy and good contacts/ network all through the country, they've just never been given a go thus far?

They could be at any club, but we wouldn't know because we just look at the league ladder, see Port or hawthorn or the cats on top and say to ourselves, hey lets go buy that guy, he must be good!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:45 pm 
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club29 wrote:
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I'm sure Sticks will clear it all up with a highly polished media performance on 360 tomorrow.


Just on media performances. Did you see Ahmed Fahour on the telly this morning talking about staff cuts to Aust post?
Made Kernahan look like a gun media performer.



I heard his 3aw interview. I thought he was quite good. Clear , precise , and explained the points quite well. But maybe I'm comparing him to a politician where you don't get ant clear answers ever.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:48 pm 
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limestone wrote:
But maybe I'm comparing him to a politician where you don't get ant clear answers ever.



There's an idea.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:22 pm 
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Can someone enlighten me. I would like to know what the particular skill set that is required to be a gun recruiter?
I mean i know what they spit out during trade week, but other than that, what separates the men from the boys? How do they add value? I suspect that a good recruiter can be hamstrung by some or all of the following

1 a poor coach
2 a poor football manager
3 a poor development strategy
4 a poor vfl coach for development
5 a poor physical conditioning department
6 interfering ego driven board members
Some examples

If a recruiter is instructed to recruit players of "good character" to negate say the flack from fevolas antics, but at the expense of physical ability.

If a vfl coach refused to cooperate with the senior coach by playing AFL players in positions that they were required to fullfil in the AFL team

If a footballl department is reactive rather than strategic . For example our "batch recruiting" of rucks (kreuzer, hampson, warnock,jacobs). Our batch recruiting of talls (mitchel et al)

If board members are still living in the past and insist on big name recruits at the expense of lost flexibility and ability to recruit more midrange players that give you depth.

A coach who continues to play players based on their accepted positions rather than try to develop and change their roles eg Yarran, Walker, Gibbs under Ratten versus Rowe, Yarran, Gibbs, Buckley, under Malthouse.

I am interested to hear from anyone who has an insight into how it works, because it seems to me that just focusing on one man is ignoring the other factors that can sabotage a good mans efforts.
Ps i have no horse in this race, I have no strong opinion either way of our current recruiter.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:54 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
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It's a joke. yes the recruiting hasn't ben great, why? Have we assessed our recruiting forensically. Have we looked at our recruiting infrastructure compared to other clubs, how many and who do we have working for us, how are decisions made, how is recruiting managed. One person isn't going to solve recruiting, it is how the dept is structured and run.


I would expect that the Manager of Recruitment has developed such infrastructure based on his recruitment plan and strategy. The head of this department should be responsible for this. If the head of recruiting asked for extra funds so he could develop his dream team and was then knocked back and is the reason why this department continues to fail then the problem lies with the CEO.



This is how it was a year ago...
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-0 ... stem-works


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Blue Tongue wrote:
Clayman wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
It's a joke. yes the recruiting hasn't ben great, why? Have we assessed our recruiting forensically. Have we looked at our recruiting infrastructure compared to other clubs, how many and who do we have working for us, how are decisions made, how is recruiting managed. One person isn't going to solve recruiting, it is how the dept is structured and run.


I would expect that the Manager of Recruitment has developed such infrastructure based on his recruitment plan and strategy. The head of this department should be responsible for this. If the head of recruiting asked for extra funds so he could develop his dream team and was then knocked back and is the reason why this department continues to fail then the problem lies with the CEO.



This is how it was a year ago...
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-0 ... stem-works


Based on that article he seems quite content about the resources he has available.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:20 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:48 pm 
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Has he walked? Anyone know?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:18 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
Has he walked? Anyone know?


Gone.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:29 pm 
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THIRIODIS wrote:
We are the Cleveland Browns of the AFL.


Pretty sure we have won more titles than them.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:40 pm 
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THIRIODIS wrote:
We are the Cleveland Browns of the AFL.



I think you're right. Or the Jets, panic at every opportunity.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:49 pm 
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THIRIODIS wrote:
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Has he walked? Anyone know?


Gone.


Really??

Oh well.. need to get Burgatron in to do our selections....


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:43 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Ah ... i forgot about Hughes and Rogers at Freo. Jeez freo was bad back then. haha.

I wasn't meaning don't get rid of rogers ... just four months out from the 2014 draft, at least have a list or an inkling as to who you might replace him with.

Sniff around the football departments of other successful clubs/ programs and and have a chat to a few 2IC's ... see if their philosphy is something we want to buy into, or something we need.

There you go Carlton, we just started the process for you.


Such as getting Geelongs 2IC? :wink:


Who's to say st kilda or melbs don't have a 2IC with big ideas and an excellent philosophy and good contacts/ network all through the country, they've just never been given a go thus far?

They could be at any club, but we wouldn't know because we just look at the league ladder, see Port or hawthorn or the cats on top and say to ourselves, hey lets go buy that guy, he must be good!


My comment was based on we recruited a 2IC from a system regarded as good as any in the AFL and for what ever reason you want to believe he was gone within a few months.

There are some fantastic recruiting people out there. For a long while we have been regarding as the worst in the industry in this area. Not just for who is in charge but for our whole process and strategy or lack thereof.

There are a number of names we should be looking at and I'm not sure SOS should be one of them. How about Matt Rendell or Kinnear Beatson? They would be just two I would be looking at.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:52 pm 
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THIRIODIS wrote:
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Has he walked? Anyone know?


Gone.


That's insane. Idiots

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:54 pm 
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I don't get it.

Why is it so difficult to draft the right player? There are so many resources out there and hundreds of people dissecting every kid who plays the game, I can't see it being such a hard job. Do you think it's over done and micro managed to a point where they are just wasting time or confusing themselves?

If we picked players according to what most outsiders thought we should have before the draft had even taken place, we would have done better. Talia is a good example.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:01 pm 
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i have said it before, its called the phantom draft....
they had us taking Daniel talia, we take lucas
they had us taking Isaac smith, we take watson
they had us taking Sam kerrdige, we take bootsma
take those picks over ours any day of the week..


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:02 pm 
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THIRIODIS wrote:
mikkey wrote:
Has he walked? Anyone know?


Gone.

Good


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:40 pm 
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Marcus Clark of all people.. the man whs been on the board for five or six years doing bugger all.


THIS.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:41 pm 
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While Newbold did not mention the club involved, outgoing chairman Stephen Kernahan and outgoing chief executive Greg Swann were later made aware the Hawks head was referring to Carlton. Not only were Swann and Kernahan unaware of the offer to Wright, but LoGiudice had also not informed football boss McKay nor coach Mick Malthouse.


AMATEURS


and THIS.

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