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woof
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:34 am 
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Tell him Leading Teams will come in to build leadership as his efforts to do so have failed dismally.


Leading Teams were at Carlton under Ratten for a few years, why didn't it work?
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Leading teams may only work if there is honesty throughout the club
Raatts wasnt honest.... he blamed Hampson for losing a game from CHF
and Curnow for not blanketing someone else out of the game

LEading teams like anything needs everybody to be honest... not just some.

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dane
 Post subject: So what would you do?
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I don't know why AFL clubs have such a hard on for Leading Teams. One of their success stories on their website is Melbourne.

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Somebody is strangely absent ...
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Membership needs to be looked at. For a famous club with lots of fans out membership number is not where it ought to be. Without working at the club I can't say whose to blame but in the end the buck stops with those in charge at the top and we are about to see a new President

Cull the size of the board so it can work more efficiently and effectively. How to do that I don't know

We have a relatively new recruitment manager and his picks this far seem ok, prob too early to make a call on him

Get a list manager as all clubs should have one

Get SOS back as he is the heart and soul

Review Swans performance - is he to blame for poor decisions in the past such as recruitment manager choose etc

Review Comms dept bec it's not up to scratch

Review the brand per se. The equity of the brand seems to have eroded in recent times. This could be a review instigated by the new president and overseen by the CEO and marketing manager

I don't know the mechanics on the inner sanctum in terms of footy dept so can't judge Macca etc. As for Mick well even he would admit ladder position at end of year is a KPI but recent weeks have been better, kids like Cas and Lucas and White have been better, and the simple fact we had so many leaders having delayed off season needs to be considered when judging the first month. But needless to say it is prudent to review Micks position
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Leading Teams is a wank fest
Waste of time if you ask me

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Personally I think Carlton needs to look at membership. Its definitely one area of the club that is in need of serious attention.

Other than, I'm not going to pretend I have a clue about the upper echelons at Carlton and simply say, leave it to the professionals.
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Blue Vain
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From the Leading Teams website-

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Hawthorn Football Club reengaged Leading Teams for the 2013 season. Hawthorn captain, Luke Hodge’s insightful speech at the club’s Peter Crimmins Medal is one of the best examples of our model in action.

Hodge discussed a turning point at their pre-season camp in Mooloolaba last December; the beginning of Leading Teams’ reengagement with the club. “A lot of questions got thrown around; why we lost, how we lost and the main one was ‘Have we been hard enough on each other?’. At that meeting, we came up with six behaviours that we believe that if we follow them and mark each other on them and live them, then we would be here saluting the premiership cup.”

One of key elements of the Leading Teams model is having an Agreed Behavioural Framework, which involves team members creating a Trademark & reviewing against it regulary & rigourously. The six behaviours that the Hawthorn players came up with were that every player must:

· Live an elite lifestyle

· Respect all

· Have a selfless attitude

· Leave their ego on the hook

· Have open and honest conversations - give and receive feedback when the time is right

· Fight to the death

Hodge said, “The standards were set and we have no doubt that the meeting [Trademark development session] in December was one of the main reasons that Box Hill and Hawthorn had successful years and both won the premiership.“


Hmm., Do I listen the Luke Hodge and the Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Fremantle clubs/players about the value of Leading Teams or should I swallow the scepticism here? :lol:
Tough decision.

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Given the rumours around some of their high profile players, it would be interesting to know if they all lived elite lifestyles in 2013 and what action was taken over those that were deemed not to be living an elite lifestyle

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Blue Vain wrote:
From the Leading Teams website-

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Hawthorn Football Club reengaged Leading Teams for the 2013 season. Hawthorn captain, Luke Hodge’s insightful speech at the club’s Peter Crimmins Medal is one of the best examples of our model in action.

Hodge discussed a turning point at their pre-season camp in Mooloolaba last December; the beginning of Leading Teams’ reengagement with the club. “A lot of questions got thrown around; why we lost, how we lost and the main one was ‘Have we been hard enough on each other?’. At that meeting, we came up with six behaviours that we believe that if we follow them and mark each other on them and live them, then we would be here saluting the premiership cup.”

One of key elements of the Leading Teams model is having an Agreed Behavioural Framework, which involves team members creating a Trademark & reviewing against it regulary & rigourously. The six behaviours that the Hawthorn players came up with were that every player must:

· Live an elite lifestyle

· Respect all

· Have a selfless attitude

· Leave their ego on the hook

· Have open and honest conversations - give and receive feedback when the time is right

· Fight to the death

Hodge said, “The standards were set and we have no doubt that the meeting [Trademark development session] in December was one of the main reasons that Box Hill and Hawthorn had successful years and both won the premiership.“


Hmm., Do I listen the Luke Hodge and the Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Fremantle clubs/players about the value of Leading Teams or should I swallow the scepticism here? :lol:
Tough decision.

:clap: :clap: Took the words out of my mouth.

I don't care how wanky it sounds. IT. WORKS!!!!

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moshe25 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
From the Leading Teams website-

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Hawthorn Football Club reengaged Leading Teams for the 2013 season. Hawthorn captain, Luke Hodge’s insightful speech at the club’s Peter Crimmins Medal is one of the best examples of our model in action.

Hodge discussed a turning point at their pre-season camp in Mooloolaba last December; the beginning of Leading Teams’ reengagement with the club. “A lot of questions got thrown around; why we lost, how we lost and the main one was ‘Have we been hard enough on each other?’. At that meeting, we came up with six behaviours that we believe that if we follow them and mark each other on them and live them, then we would be here saluting the premiership cup.”

One of key elements of the Leading Teams model is having an Agreed Behavioural Framework, which involves team members creating a Trademark & reviewing against it regulary & rigourously. The six behaviours that the Hawthorn players came up with were that every player must:

· Live an elite lifestyle

· Respect all

· Have a selfless attitude

· Leave their ego on the hook

· Have open and honest conversations - give and receive feedback when the time is right

· Fight to the death

Hodge said, “The standards were set and we have no doubt that the meeting [Trademark development session] in December was one of the main reasons that Box Hill and Hawthorn had successful years and both won the premiership.“


Hmm., Do I listen the Luke Hodge and the Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Fremantle clubs/players about the value of Leading Teams or should I swallow the scepticism here? :lol:
Tough decision.

:clap: :clap: Took the words out of my mouth.

I don't care how wanky it sounds. IT. WORKS!!!!


But it does not change the fact that it did not work at our club when it was implemented.
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Maybe we went for the budget model.

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dane
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Probably the oligarch ruin the club package

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woof wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
From the Leading Teams website-

Quote:
Hawthorn Football Club reengaged Leading Teams for the 2013 season. Hawthorn captain, Luke Hodge’s insightful speech at the club’s Peter Crimmins Medal is one of the best examples of our model in action.

Hodge discussed a turning point at their pre-season camp in Mooloolaba last December; the beginning of Leading Teams’ reengagement with the club. “A lot of questions got thrown around; why we lost, how we lost and the main one was ‘Have we been hard enough on each other?’. At that meeting, we came up with six behaviours that we believe that if we follow them and mark each other on them and live them, then we would be here saluting the premiership cup.”

One of key elements of the Leading Teams model is having an Agreed Behavioural Framework, which involves team members creating a Trademark & reviewing against it regulary & rigourously. The six behaviours that the Hawthorn players came up with were that every player must:

· Live an elite lifestyle

· Respect all

· Have a selfless attitude

· Leave their ego on the hook

· Have open and honest conversations - give and receive feedback when the time is right

· Fight to the death

Hodge said, “The standards were set and we have no doubt that the meeting [Trademark development session] in December was one of the main reasons that Box Hill and Hawthorn had successful years and both won the premiership.“


Hmm., Do I listen the Luke Hodge and the Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Fremantle clubs/players about the value of Leading Teams or should I swallow the scepticism here? :lol:
Tough decision.

:clap: :clap: Took the words out of my mouth.

I don't care how wanky it sounds. IT. WORKS!!!!


But it does not change the fact that it did not work at our club when it was implemented.



There is no fundamental honesty from the leaders at our club (from Board down) for this to be able to work.

Some don't even realize they are being dishonest.

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moshe25 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
From the Leading Teams website-

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Hawthorn Football Club reengaged Leading Teams for the 2013 season. Hawthorn captain, Luke Hodge’s insightful speech at the club’s Peter Crimmins Medal is one of the best examples of our model in action.

Hodge discussed a turning point at their pre-season camp in Mooloolaba last December; the beginning of Leading Teams’ reengagement with the club. “A lot of questions got thrown around; why we lost, how we lost and the main one was ‘Have we been hard enough on each other?’. At that meeting, we came up with six behaviours that we believe that if we follow them and mark each other on them and live them, then we would be here saluting the premiership cup.”

One of key elements of the Leading Teams model is having an Agreed Behavioural Framework, which involves team members creating a Trademark & reviewing against it regulary & rigourously. The six behaviours that the Hawthorn players came up with were that every player must:

· Live an elite lifestyle

· Respect all

· Have a selfless attitude

· Leave their ego on the hook

· Have open and honest conversations - give and receive feedback when the time is right

· Fight to the death

Hodge said, “The standards were set and we have no doubt that the meeting [Trademark development session] in December was one of the main reasons that Box Hill and Hawthorn had successful years and both won the premiership.“


Hmm., Do I listen the Luke Hodge and the Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Fremantle clubs/players about the value of Leading Teams or should I swallow the scepticism here? :lol:
Tough decision.

:clap: :clap: Took the words out of my mouth.

I don't care how wanky it sounds. IT. WORKS!!!!


It works........if everyone buys into it wholeheartedly.
Did Carlton do that?

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woof wrote:
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mikkey wrote:
Tell him Leading Teams will come in to build leadership as his efforts to do so have failed dismally.


Leading Teams were at Carlton under Ratten for a few years, why didn't it work?


Leading Teams comes in and assesses clubs needs on a club-by-club basis. It's not like the Hawthorn model is the same as the Carlton model. The one employed at Carlton by Ray McLean was really focused on the coach and to a lesser extent on the playing group. By the time it came it was probably a touch too late. Ratts began as a mate to all the boys - but quickly realised he couldn't be a mate and a coach. He had personality clashes with others around the place and then tried to mend damaged relationships but his people skills weren't that great and he took everything to heart.

Being a senior coach requires excellent management and relationship skills as well as all the other coaching and media stuff that we see. Ratten never fully adapted. His lot in life is as a senior assistant. That's what he's good at. Someone(s) at Carlton should have seen his deficiencies a lot earlier. When Leading Teams came in they were dealing with damage control. What they do is generally some good stuff. But it's not for everyone. The Brendan Fevola's, Mitch Robinson's and Aaron Joseph's of this world struggled with it....and understandably so.
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Mick is not an advocate and last I recall he won a flag at Coll not using LTs
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Question - why do you always refer to him as just "Mick"?

Do you know him on a personal basis? Familiar?

Sure hope Marc, Bryce, Robbie and Dylan have a good game on Friday night!

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Sugarcane wrote:
Mick is not an advocate and last I recall he won a flag at Coll not using LTs


Yes, I agree with you. :thumbsup:
Perhaps if he was an advocate of Leading Teams, he could have won multiple flags like the Cats.
That is what you're saying, Isn't it?

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Mick is not an advocate and last I recall he won a flag at Coll not using LTs


Perhaps if he was an advocate of Leading Teams, he could have won multiple flags like the Cats.
We'll never know. :thumbsup:


I always thought the 3 flags he coached was multiple :thumbsup:
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