Are you serious?

- McKay left after 2003......AGED 33
- Ratten left after 2003.......AGED 32
- Campo left after 2005......AGED 30 and with no real exposed form as a leader
- Allen left after 2003.......AGED 28 and having no exposed form as a leader and having played one good season FOUR years earlier.

These guys were a combo of old ready-to-retire stalwarts, washed up hacks, and prime donnas. They hardly comprised the next generation of leaders.

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..we had bentick and Hulme, we should have made DeLuca capitano to fast track him.. ..prenders too..

..don't forget Plunkett..

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Mackay general mananger of foot ball
Ratten was senoir coach for almost 6 years
Campo has been an assistant coach at two clubs ever since he left the game
Nah your right no leadership qualities
Synbad said they didnt have it so they mustnt have

Pagan set this club backwards and it hasnt recovered since
Not the board or the AFL
It was Pagan and now Malthouse is doing the same thing

We will be 2 wins 6 losses coming into the bye round and having played the bottom half of the ladder
But it will be everyones fault other than Malthouses

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So our dysfunctional club giving McKay and Ratten off-field positions is evidence they have great leadership qualities?

Extrapolate that logic and everyone the club hires should be terrific.

Including Pagan and Malthouse.

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They were leaders of the club, for one reason or another Pagan certainly pissed off a great deal of players in a small time frame - culminating in that awful game against North.

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ratten was captain and he also acted like a shop steward.
thoough he didnt like it when he felt his players when he was coaching didnt support him.
coaches sometimes need to put players through the hoops.. our players refuse to get out of their comfort zone... it was a problem for ratten as well and still is.
(im not talking about every last individual player) thats never been the case... there are always ellards and armfields and simmos setantas
those guys put out for coaches no matter who the coach is.. and they do it on the footy field no matter what the situation is.
pagan walked into the club at a bad time...the club was being forced into a transition from fat cat club to common hobbo.... the players didnt like what was going on....
in fact we went back to the fatcat image but were semi hobos now.

ratten wasnt a great captain... he never led well
he blamed his players .. sometimes naming them for lost games.
what he did to brad fisher was inexcusable and many of the players never forgave him for it.

one thing about mick.. is you dont find too many players rubbishing him and he is a hard task master
he will have learnt from denis and decided to take a more softly softly approach

this club is a different beast

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..paggy didn't destroy the club, it already was screwed.. ..off field and on field together rotting the system long before paggy got here.. ..the club was broke, support promised to him never arrived, league sanctions hurt rebuild, poor list management had put the team back years, all before he got there.. ..was he a good coach?, yes once.. ..with us, no.. ..unlike mm which over decades proved capable of staying current paggy was too limited in coaching scope.. ..he wasn't good, but all the same he didn't destroy us.. ..didn't help, and I think limited in ability to help but also no club support limited him much further..

..club culture on and off field has been crap for too long to blame him..

..I also think there are too many players not capable of that long, hard sustained look into the mirror.. ....it'd be good to pick a team on the non-negoiatables of what we want our team to stand for, and see which players make the grade..

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We're blaming Pagan now.. oh for @#$%&!'s sake...if you want to blame Pagan, then blame the club that hired him.. a stupid that thought grabbing a name would make everything right...Blame a club that refuses to find a young coach who has done a strong apprenticeship and work with that coach to rebuild a list in a proper orderly fashion, blame a club that always seeks the easy, swift, la la land solution.

We need to forget the past 15 years. Drop a bomb and then start again. Rebuild the whole @#$%&! list, the whole board, the whole @#$%&! thing...yep go back to shit and rebuild properly, slowly, pragmatically and cleverly...wait..na..we're Carlton, @#$%&! the rest, lets just look for another @#$%&! headlining name and pretend that will fix everything...How about Gary Ablett jr when he's about 40...perfect for us on a 4 year contract I'd think...or wait lets go for Goddard when he retires...is Locket still playing...Bring back Fev!!!!!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

No we are blaming the club for making the same stupid mistake twice - almost exactly 10 years apart
Pagan crippled the club 10 years ago and now I feel Malthouse is heading down the same track

GWS asked to to post what we were dissatisfied with - Im dissatisfied because they didnt learn from the mistakes of 10 years ago

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The original sin was the Ratten appointment. This panicked us.
That was seven years ago.
Meanwhile young men in football terms have become old men.

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Well ... all I can say is ... we have certainly gone forward since the appointment of Dr Strangelove .

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Ratten took them so far - Malthouse was brought in to take them to the next level

Do you think we are heading in the right direction as far as that is concerned
We wont make the 8
We got beaten up in round 4 2012 by the druggies and been on a downward spiral ever since and Malthouse doesn't appear to have the answers

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Ratten killed the list.
Any coach could have done what he did

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The downward spiral is due to the club.

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#culture

We're dissatisfied because of sh*t like this... http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-for-sizzle-my-whizzle-the-cool-kidz-at-afl-house-are-bored/

To me it all starts with our pathetic recruiting over the years.our decision making to swap picks for players.(jacobs, hamp.kruz)so we get warnock(stupid).Mclean to slow pick 11.The players we recruit especially midds are to similar (pace) well come back cachia. If got our recruiting right everything else take care of itself.This is why matho was correct in saying our recruiter is the most important figure in the club.So why did it take so long to sack hughes let ask kane lucas or talia . Hopefully this years picks turn out good.Well that my 2cents c u at the rich game.

He got rid of Bradley without even taking a look at him. Said he didn't want to shoot bambi. So insulting, no wonder Braddles retired.

Anyway been a while, hope you're all well. Just want to say I agree with everything in this thread, our club is a disgrace, our CEO just a flower tool that doesn't respect the members, our coach is an old stubborn fool and our captain wouldn't know leadership if it came up and smacked him in the face. We are heading towards being the worst team in the competition in three years time.

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Considering how shight our list is, Ratten overachieved.

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