If (and its a big if) they were able to get PP up and going again with AFL/Government funding and we didn't pay a cent, and us and a swag of other sides played low drawing interstate sides there (say a total of around 22-23 games a year), what is the possible down side of that?

Everyone knows we wont move back their permanently, but if we are playing low drawing sides at our spiritual home, making more money than playing elsewhere, why is any of that a bad thing?

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There is also no chance as a club we would pay for any of it, so I have no idea why people are getting their knickers in a twist.

I do feel PP is a pawn in a play to get a better deal from Etihad.

They have also mooted Punt Road Oval remember, does anyone think Richmond would pay for that? Or Melbourne would pay for Casey to be upgraded. Will be all AFL/Government money.

The only difference we would see as a club is a few games there a year and a better bottom line for those games.[/quote]

Awesome if that becomes a reality!

Closer to home!

Does this mean if we hit the magic membership tally of 25,000 they'll let us move there?

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We can only dream.

The AFL won't be doing us any favours. Unfortunately PP as our home ground is only a memory for those of us who were lucky or sometimes unlucky to witness the famous old dark navy blueboys running around. We must have the MCG as our home ground as soon as we can. Thats imperative for our future growth.

Why has this thread reared it's ugly head again? All that's been mentioned here is written in another thread, and other threads...same people arguing the same moot point.

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Really fascinates me how people can argue against these points.

Went to the last game there. Sad day

Demons smashed us and Houlihan squibbed it big time on the flank in front of the Legends Stand.

Had a kick on the gound with my 8 yr old son after the game. Took the footy to the centre, had about 4 bounces weaving through hundreds of others and dobbed it from 30 out. Then got my kid to do the same.

He didn't realise the significance of the moment, but i'll never forget it.

Still feels like we have unfinished business.
If only the admin had the foresight of the Cats.
The train may have left the station...... maybe we could still catch it.

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I loved PP and went there forever and have great memories but I hope our CEO and board are not wasting time on this when they should be spending their energies elsewhere ie - getting us back to a power club rather than a middling one - focussing on improving our brand throughout Australia -getting our home matches at the MCG and ensuring that our footy department have the cash and wherewithal to develop recruit manage and draft the best young talent -ensuring our present team both on and off the field pursue excellence and are ruthless rather than sustained mediocrity which has bedevilled the club in the last 17 years.

This sort of clarion call plays well to the masses but is simplistic ill focussed short term and is the reason we are a middling club - need to lift their thoughts beyond simplistic /cheap symbolism and GET STRATEGIC

Well our 5 or 6 Years at bloody Shitihad haven't done us much good!

We could well have been a co-tenant at the G and retained our base at PP for the lower drawing games, without the need to go.
Does anyone seriously believe the AFL would've let us waste away?
The Etihad deal suited certain people at the time.

Thats my simplistic view.... i'll stick to it.

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You are correct, but the club was run by morons/those with invested interests back then.

Some people just have PTSD when thinking of Princes Park, that it symbolises Elliot/salary cap breaching/running down the club etc.

Dont be confused Surrey, they're not arguing against those points, we are simply arguing against any argument born outside of cyber Footy league. Arguments and actions in reality can never measure up to the arguments of the shoulda been presidents, coaches, recruiters, property developers, Architetcs, and now AFL CEO's.

Just read and accept that it's valuable therapy

I think you may be right

Mark J Im not a proponent of playing at etihad - the AFL absolutely forced us to go there as they forced us out of PP -THAT SHIP HAS SAILED going back to pp only raises its head when carlton management want to either galvanise the faithful or deflect from other issues or the AFL want to give etihad a clip - it wont be happening and we should be realistic about it - harking back to the glory days gives a warm inner glow but doesnt position us for football excellence in all facets in the modern era

As for not letting carlton go under not sure whether people realise the impact of salary cap penalties on top of the extraordinary excesses of the Elliott era - Collo to whom we should be eternally grateful on a number of occasions was told by other board just throw the keys to the AFL were done- he didnt we survived but not with much help from the AFL - when in real trouble the AFL unlike with other clubs gave us a loan and not a grant -I do believe some of them at AFL house were prepared to let us go - Andrew that was un-eddie like Demetriou was one of the prime protagonists

Etihad is not in Carlton's short term or long term interests and is acting against Carlton's growth and development

Read the MCG Carlton's Home Ground thread.

We had the chance to go to the MCG instead we built an albatross around our necks.
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Seen those guys?

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No matter what you're last on

You'll get that.



Don't blame anyone but out stupidity for being the last ones on.

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In this hypothetical scenario I would be interested in what the AFL would charge us to play games at PP. Would it only be called Visy during the week or would the AFL get to collect a % of that sponsorship dollar as well? Who would pick up the tab to build us new training facilities (either on site at PP or further afield)?

Or would the AFL and state government just pony up the cash to re-develop the joint and then hand over the keys to Carlton and let us do what we wanted with the place.

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Left wing moralists
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