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What does astound me is the flip flopping of people on here who were baying for Ratten's blood because we underachieved and are now stating that it's Ratten's list and fault that Mick is struggling.



That actually in no way shape or form makes any sense and we are all a little dumber for having read it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:46 pm 
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There'll be no immediate success with Mick IMO - probably a mini-rebuild coming at the end of the season.

Supporters looking for a flag in the short term should re-evaluate.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:48 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:54 pm 
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You'd like to think Mick will clean out the list at the end of the year much like we hoped would happen in 2012, but didn't (due to inept management and the AFL reaming us in the VISY deal).

A look at our players' current contract statuses would be most intriguing...

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Donstuie wrote:
You'd like to think Mick will clean out the list at the end of the year much like we hoped would happen in 2012, but didn't (due to inept management and the AFL reaming us in the VISY deal).

A look at our players' current contract statuses would be most intriguing...


Not sure we need a 'clean out' stu.

Just a thorough tidy up perhaps. :cool:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:00 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
What does astound me is the flip flopping of people on here who were baying for Ratten's blood because we underachieved and are now stating that it's Ratten's list and fault that Mick is struggling.



That actually in no way shape or form makes any sense and we are all a little dumber for having read it.

:wink:

not many on here could actually get dumber, what I'm getting at is that we are either a team that is capable of finishing top 6 or we are not, Ratten got sacked because we/he supposedly underperformed, now people are saying we don't have a capable list???

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:02 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?


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Do you remember.................J. Scarponi......just a theory


The truth is I am boring and am like a broken record and don't really like Gibbs as a loose man in defense prefer him playing as a defender on a man with the option of moving him onball late in a game though .Never gave Ratts a free pass and in fact supported moving him on just along with a list re jig to help lose the lack of mental strength.
Never been anywhere near a cheer squad and since the age of 12 have never worn any carlton merch except for while playing a few TC forum footy games 8 or so years back.
Never dreamt of having more than one login on TC.
I have watched coaches get mauled on this site for years. Never got into it. Thought id give it a crack and see how the other half live. Who better to start with than a bloke who has been the enemy for 40 years and whose footy persona isnt really that likable. So far he has been AVERAGE.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:11 pm 
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club29 wrote:
The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.


oooohohoho how I wish our lack of killer instinct was our only bad habit.

We are still the undisputed kings of conceding goals just before the siren.

And I'm sure we'd have to be near the top of the table for squandering unmissable set shots in front of goal as well.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:18 pm 
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club29 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Do you remember.................J. Scarponi......just a theory


The truth is I am boring and am like a broken record and don't really like Gibbs as a loose man in defense prefer him playing as a defender on a man with the option of moving him onball late in a game though .Never gave Ratts a free pass and in fact supported moving him on just along with a list re jig to help lose the lack of mental strength.
Never been anywhere near a cheer squad and since the age of 12 have never worn any carlton merch except for while playing a few TC forum footy games 8 or so years back.
Never dreamt of having more than one login on TC.
I have watched coaches get mauled on this site for years. Never got into it. Thought id give it a crack and see how the other half live. Who better to start with than a bloke who has been the enemy for 40 years and whose footy persona isnt really that likable. So far he has been AVERAGE.


That's the problem club....your mauling of MM is irrational by your own definition. Yes, we are 0-2...Collingwood were 0-2 last year. WC are 0-2 this year. We've lost our 2 games by just over 20 points to a top 4 side and a side on the up.
I would have preferred a proper process. we didn't get it. we move on. I dislike MM when he was at Coll. Now, I see him in navy blue and think, 'he's one of us'
Support him until he fails.
PS. I hated Greg Williams, Glenn Manton and David RJ when they were the opposition
I actually thought his presser was good, no excuses, we're improving (which I think we are from Rd 1), learn his way bit by bit, see as many players as you can in the cut and thrust early in the season to get a read on them.
This year was always going to be a frustrating one. I'm prepared to wear the hiccups.
Ratten was no good!
5 years of incremental, organic improvement (which effectively meant going backwards when compared to other teams around us) rather than proactive, impact improvement

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:18 pm 
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Cyclonus wrote:
club29 wrote:
The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.


oooohohoho how I wish our lack of killer instinct was our only bad habit.

We are still the undisputed kings of conceding goals just before the siren.

And I'm sure we'd have to be near the top of the table for squandering unmissable set shots in front of goal as well.


All examples of laying down when the game is up for grabs. We crumble under pressure.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:23 pm 
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I remember one passage in the 3rd 1/4 when a defender under pressure booted it from the pocket to centre square.
I thought immediately "that's not what Mick wants" and sure enough it ended up in a Collingwood shot, can't remember it if it was a goal or not.
Old habits die hard. Until Mick's instructions are instinct, we are still developing.
We are capable of playing great footy. We are also vulnerable to being scored against heavily. We don't have to limit the former greatly to limit the latter significantly. We just need to take better options.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:26 pm 
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Murphy must feel like a goose (or unimportant) to sit there for all that time and be asked one question.


They've been doing this for a couple of years now. And it's just plain dumb, dumb, dumb. :banghead: You feel sorry for the players. But you can't blame the journos. I mean what of any interest are they going to get out of a player, especially when he's sitting beside his senior coach?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:31 pm 
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4 pages on a postgame presser? :screwy:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:42 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
club29 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Booooooring. Lets put Gibbs back as loose man in defence and quote stats for a bit. You're like a broken record.

One guy gets a free pass for five and a half years while stalling our progress and putting us back by a decade; the next guy is a dud because he hasn't won a flag in 2 weeks. Are you a cheer squad member?


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Do you remember.................J. Scarponi......just a theory


The truth is I am boring and am like a broken record and don't really like Gibbs as a loose man in defense prefer him playing as a defender on a man with the option of moving him onball late in a game though .Never gave Ratts a free pass and in fact supported moving him on just along with a list re jig to help lose the lack of mental strength.
Never been anywhere near a cheer squad and since the age of 12 have never worn any carlton merch except for while playing a few TC forum footy games 8 or so years back.
Never dreamt of having more than one login on TC.
I have watched coaches get mauled on this site for years. Never got into it. Thought id give it a crack and see how the other half live. Who better to start with than a bloke who has been the enemy for 40 years and whose footy persona isnt really that likable. So far he has been AVERAGE.


That's the problem club....your mauling of MM is irrational by your own definition. Yes, we are 0-2...Collingwood were 0-2 last year. WC are 0-2 this year. We've lost our 2 games by just over 20 points to a top 4 side and a side on the up.
I would have preferred a proper process. we didn't get it. we move on. I dislike MM when he was at Coll. Now, I see him in navy blue and think, 'he's one of us'
Support him until he fails.
PS. I hated Greg Williams, Glenn Manton and David RJ when they were the opposition
I actually thought his presser was good, no excuses, we're improving (which I think we are from Rd 1), learn his way bit by bit, see as many players as you can in the cut and thrust early in the season to get a read on them.
This year was always going to be a frustrating one. I'm prepared to wear the hiccups.
Ratten was no good!
5 years of incremental, organic improvement (which effectively meant going backwards when compared to other teams around us) rather than proactive, impact improvement


Easy on the "organic". I am saving that up for when Mick's Blue Boys inevitably find form between round 5-10. Fingers crossed that form comes with a robust defensive bent.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:50 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Cyclonus wrote:
club29 wrote:
The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.


oooohohoho how I wish our lack of killer instinct was our only bad habit.

We are still the undisputed kings of conceding goals just before the siren.

And I'm sure we'd have to be near the top of the table for squandering unmissable set shots in front of goal as well.


All examples of laying down when the game is up for grabs. We crumble under pressure.


They crumble because they're simply not good enough. A player or group of players can build themselves up to do what doesn't come as naturally as it perhaps comes for another. One player may revel in the physical contest and have that natural Killer instinct where another doesn't have it to the same degree, as a result some will be capable of performing certain acts at certain intensity for longer. Kruizer for example (when fit) can run harder for longer periods than some others because that's part of his natural physiological and psychological makeup. What MM was alluding to at his presser is that the pies simply have more personnel that with natural footy smarts. The obvious question is whether its a nature or nurture issue, whether the reason/solution rests in previous/future selection of personnel or whether it rests in previous/future development of personnel. I reckon its somewhere in between, and the situation highlights that both our drafting and development haven't been up to par. whatever side of the fence you sit on, you surely have to agree that 5 years of drafting and nurture cant be instantaneously improved in one hampered draft and or several months of development. The blues are essentially playing with a smaller list than the very top sides, other than those in the side each week and a few that are injured, a few from previous drafts and perhaps this years crop, there's not much more to choose from. reality hurts but its a good hurt.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:58 pm 
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4 pages on a postgame presser? :screwy:

It started out as an innocent question on what one of the questions was from the post-game presser. I think the answer was effectively given on page 1.

Can I direct the Malthouse strategy/appointment discussion to the thread titled Mick has a lot ahead of him

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:06 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
bluedog wrote:
Murphy must feel like a goose (or unimportant) to sit there for all that time and be asked one question.


They've been doing this for a couple of years now. And it's just plain dumb, dumb, dumb. :banghead: You feel sorry for the players. But you can't blame the journos. I mean what of any interest are they going to get out of a player, especially when he's sitting beside his senior coach?



At least it's better than when the only questions Murph got asked was what it's like to play with Juddy.

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kingkerna wrote:
Now that I've calmed down the way I see it is this:
I'm not happy that he's our coach BUT I'm willing to give him a chance, if we are not travelling well after playing ten games than I'll be disappointed.
What does astound me is the flip flopping of people on here who were baying for Ratten's blood because we underachieved and are now stating that it's Ratten's list and fault that Mick is struggling.

2 weeks doesnt mean Mick is struggling... lol

However .. the gaping holes that are problems on and off field are apparent.
No leadership on and off field
No appetite on and off field

Its culture

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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
club29 wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:
club29 wrote:
How can a gun coach who has had a whole year to watch us and analyse us sign on to the blues after months of talks (according to those on the inside) turn up and not make a single trade and then only now discover the magnatude of our teams bad habits?

I call bullsh!t on that.

The only bad habit that is costing us is the one where we lie down when the game is truely up for grabs.

Where is the hard edge defensive style that is going to make us horrible to play against? Just a hint of it?

When i see something that any other coach in the land couldnt do i will give the guy some credit. For now though he is AVERAGE.

This press conference was average too.


IMO, Malthouse has spent the year to analyse us not to trade, but how he believes he can make a difference by using his own
coaching style and improve individual players !!

But I'll bet my left knacker, that after years end, he'll know who can be coached and who cant and we'll play
a big part in trades after 2013 season !!


Probably. I know for a fact that deep inside the coaches room "2014" is the buzz word. However, anyone with an eye on footy let alone our club would know that this group needed to be changed up if he wanted to get any resilience into it.


Club

You can analyse the list until the cows come home, but when MM came in there was no salary cap room nor list space to do any trading. Its not his fault the clubs list management is inept. I would suggest that trade week at the end of this year might be a different story though :wink:

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