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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:37 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
BigKev wrote:
teknodeejay wrote:
Just catching up on Northern I see that Knockers had a great VFL game maybe he comes in for Rowe? Scotland is also available after his club imposed selection. The kind of guy to bring in for Laidler? Buckley good. White good. Curnow 30+ possessions.

Perhaps there's pressure to hold your spot.


As what though? Presumably as the #1 ruckmen ... and we've already got one of those, (who is playing v. well at the moment).
Are you suggesting Warnock would be better than Rowe in a key forward role? With the exception of a quarter against
Sydney a few years ago I haven't seen any evidence that he can play this role at all.


How about Warnock in, Levi out. Rowe at CHB or CHF as required, Kreuzer resting up forward when Warnock rucks?
You're not exactly resting forward if you have to take over the key forward role when you go down there. Kreuzer is not that good forward, seen that many times, and Warnock is hopeless there, purely a ruck. I'm happy for both to rest in a FP, but definitely not FF. Hence the only way I'd drop Casboult for Warnock would be if Waite is fit and comes in as well.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:58 pm 
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I would be tempted to swap Curnow for Brock. I think he is still improving and worth persevering. Will get to more contests than Brock and is tenacious. I know his disposal isn't there yet but I am hopeful he will improve (like robbo has)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:39 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
jimmae wrote:
missnaut wrote:
No official word on Hampson or Betts yet...I'd say another week for both, maybe 2 for Betts (Because I am such an expert on broken jaws and appendectomies)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-03/i ... -round-two

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013

CARLTON
Eddie Betts (jaw) - TBC
Andrew Collins (ankle) - 1-2 weeks
David Ellard (hamstring) - 1-2 weeks
Nick Graham (knee) - 7-8 weeks
Shaun Hampson (appendicitis) - 1 week
Patrick McCarthy (heel) - 1 week
Andrew McInnes (knee) - 11 weeks
Rhys O’Keeffe (foot) - 3 weeks
Jarrad Waite (calf) - 1-2 weeks


Because the updates from the club/AFL are so accurate.


Good news from that is Waite's only 1-2 weeks away :donk:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:42 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
How long is Hammer out for?

Gibbs said today that he could be back this week.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:57 pm 
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For me

In: hampson, scotland, buckley
out: rowe, touhy, bootsma


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:59 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
For me

In: hampson, scotland, buckley
out: rowe, touhy, bootsma

I think Rowe did enough to hold his place, i would drop Casboult after 2 poor games.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:16 pm 
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in: duigan, white, curnow, scotland, warnock?
DEFINITE OUTS: BOOTSMA, DAVIES, TOUHY, LUCAS, casboult?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:17 pm 
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Eddie wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
For me

In: hampson, scotland, buckley
out: rowe, touhy, bootsma

I think Rowe did enough to hold his place, i would drop Casboult after 2 poor games.


I rate casboult and think think we should persist with him in the team - think he will start looking a lot better as we work out kinks in our game plan - but agree that rowe did enough to retain his spot. I also dont like the idea of bringing players in and out of a team for 1 week bursts.

Imo, caboult/rowe offer different things though so it depends how the MC view them. For me, its currently hammer/rowe for the one spot and casboult/waite for the other (unless casboult really steps up before waite is ready)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:19 pm 
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Scotland will be a welcome addition to the side this week. He should help organise our back line which looked lacking in leadership late in the game yesterday. Inexperience cost us a few goals here and there, but we stretched one of the elite teams in a finals type atmosphere. I'm not as pissed off as some about our performance yesterday and I wouldn't make wholesale changes this week.

Bootsma and Davies are the 2 that stood out as weak links yesterday IMO. I suspect one of them will make way for Scotland. I would persist with Bootsma because, unlike Davies, I can see a future for him. Obviously it depends how he's travelling mentally and physically after the last 2 weeks. Perhaps the best thing for him would be to let him go back to the VFL and regain some confidence there? Personally, I'd be more inclined to persist with him and try to give his confidence a boost that way. He could be a candidate for the Sub spot - he's shown at VFL level that, although he's primarily a defender, he can play HF/Wing if required, so he could be a decent 'swing man' option as Sub?

They will look at Buckley, but I'm not sure he is what we need at the moment because he's not a genuine midfielder yet and isn't a defender. He wants to play Garlett's role and Garlett is coming off possibly his best career game. If Buckley plays, it will be as a Sub and he'll play as a small forward when he comes on. So ideally he would come on late in the game for Yarran (who appeared to run out of petrol tickets in the last quarter yesterday), but if we cop an injury to another player early in the game I'd be worried about Buckley's lack of fitness to see out the game (particularly if the player is a mid) and the effect on our rotations. I also think we have enough light bodies in the side at the moment. He'll get a taste at some stage in the not too distant future, but I tend to think it won't be this week against a hardened Cats outfit (who I really rate).

I doubt very much Hammer will be available this week, so it's probably a choice between Warnock & Casboult (I thought Rowe looked promosing). Although Casboult had another quiet game, I think we'll persist with the current structure. I think we can only play Kreuzer and Warnock in the same team if one or both of them gets better as a forward. We just can't play 2 ruckmen who can't really play anywhere else (and despite what many people say, Kreuzer has never been very effective when used as a forward for long periods).

Tuohy, McLean, Armfield & Laidler didn't have great games, but their prospective replacements - Duigan, Curnow, AJ & White - don't really fill me with excitement. McLean in particular needs a good game pretty bloody soon. It wouldn't shock me if he gets dropped as soon as this week for Curnow actually. Walker was disappointing after quarter time after being one of our better players for the 5 quarters prior. Perhaps he was effected by the head clash, but I wouldn't be surprised if the video review of his 2nd half yesterday gets ugly...

Hopefully Ellard will return via the VFL this week because his tackling, endurance and goal sense will be welcome in the coming weeks. And as others have mentioned, McInness is a player that would be useful to have available right now.

So for me this week it's-

In: Scotland
Out: Davies

And fingers crossed that Laidler 'is better for the run' and that Walker has a blinder...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:25 pm 
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Just no way will Bootsma be playing next week. His last quarter was diabolical. Unbelievable. I knew it was bad at the ground but when I saw it on replay I couldn't believe it. Mm should have left Laidler on.


Using our 1st Round pick on him is looking like another wasted 1st round draft pick. Into his 3rd season and barely hanging on at the Northern Blues.
McCarthy looks like a disaster too. Into his 3rd season and still looks miles away from AFL standard.
Mitchell I ll save my judgement for now as he's spent the best part of his 2 years at the Club out injured and only since mid last year started to put some Reserves games together.
I ll cut Boots some slack for now, but he's miles off AFL level right now, and the first 2 rounds have proven that.

Its been said a million times, but Wayne Hughes has done some serious damage to this club, and it took the dopes running the club way too long to realise this and demote him!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:36 pm 
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If we keep playing Bootsma in defence we are doomed, I repeat he should not be playing, not ready YET, we are 0/2, pressure is on, you need to play your best if available. At the moment our defence are providing no drive forward since Yarran is playing forward,
Scotland is available, hopefully he can.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:55 pm 
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papa wrote:
in: duigan, white, curnow, scotland, warnock?
DEFINITE OUTS: BOOTSMA, DAVIES, TOUHY, LUCAS, casboult?


papa don't preach :sly:

Lucas was one of our better players outside of his tackling.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:04 pm 
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papa wrote:
in: duigan, white, curnow, scotland, warnock?
DEFINITE OUTS: BOOTSMA, DAVIES, TOUHY, LUCAS, casboult?



Definite with a question mark

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:10 pm 
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teknodeejay wrote:
Going by the last two weeks, it must be Christensen's turn to kick 5 goals on us.



I'll go for Motlop

Smedts - BOG

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:03 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
windows wrote:
Just no way will Bootsma be playing next week. His last quarter was diabolical. Unbelievable. I knew it was bad at the ground but when I saw it on replay I couldn't believe it. Mm should have left Laidler on.


Using our 1st Round pick on him is looking like another wasted 1st round draft pick. Into his 3rd season and barely hanging on at the Northern Blues.
McCarthy looks like a disaster too. Into his 3rd season and still looks miles away from AFL standard.
Mitchell I ll save my judgement for now as he's spent the best part of his 2 years at the Club out injured and only since mid last year started to put some Reserves games together.
I ll cut Boots some slack for now, but he's miles off AFL level right now, and the first 2 rounds have proven that.

Its been said a million times, but Wayne Hughes has done some serious damage to this club, and it took the dopes running the club way too long to realise this and demote him!

I think you have hit the nail on the head, our recuiting and trading has been poor for several years.
We simply dont have a good group of young good kids coming through. The draft of 2010 saw us pick 3 KKP's and you have to wonder if any of Watson, Mitchell or McCarthy will be at the club in a few years from now. Everyone scratched their heads at the Bootsma selection and i also think that our recruiting has set us back years. Could be wrong and time will tell i guess.
We havent had a NRS nomination for a few years and its difficult to see where our improvement will come from.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:11 pm 
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I can't believe our recruiting has been so bad, but our player development is woeful.

Is Stephen Wells from Geelong such a recruiting genius or are Geelong (and Collingwood for that matter) able to develop pick 30+ selections better than everyone else.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:20 pm 
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Eddie wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
windows wrote:
Just no way will Bootsma be playing next week. His last quarter was diabolical. Unbelievable. I knew it was bad at the ground but when I saw it on replay I couldn't believe it. Mm should have left Laidler on.


Using our 1st Round pick on him is looking like another wasted 1st round draft pick. Into his 3rd season and barely hanging on at the Northern Blues.
McCarthy looks like a disaster too. Into his 3rd season and still looks miles away from AFL standard.
Mitchell I ll save my judgement for now as he's spent the best part of his 2 years at the Club out injured and only since mid last year started to put some Reserves games together.
I ll cut Boots some slack for now, but he's miles off AFL level right now, and the first 2 rounds have proven that.

Its been said a million times, but Wayne Hughes has done some serious damage to this club, and it took the dopes running the club way too long to realise this and demote him!

I think you have hit the nail on the head, our recuiting and trading has been poor for several years.
We simply dont have a good group of young good kids coming through. The draft of 2010 saw us pick 3 KKP's and you have to wonder if any of Watson, Mitchell or McCarthy will be at the club in a few years from now. Everyone scratched their heads at the Bootsma selection and i also think that our recruiting has set us back years. Could be wrong and time will tell i guess.
We havent had a NRS nomination for a few years and its difficult to see where our improvement will come from.

Lets hope last years dfaft can produce.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:21 pm 
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We need an upset.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:44 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Scotland will be a welcome addition to the side this week. He should help organise our back line which looked lacking in leadership late in the game yesterday. Inexperience cost us a few goals here and there, but we stretched one of the elite teams in a finals type atmosphere. I'm not as pissed off as some about our performance yesterday and I wouldn't make wholesale changes this week.

Bootsma and Davies are the 2 that stood out as weak links yesterday IMO. I suspect one of them will make way for Scotland. I would persist with Bootsma because, unlike Davies, I can see a future for him. Obviously it depends how he's travelling mentally and physically after the last 2 weeks. Perhaps the best thing for him would be to let him go back to the VFL and regain some confidence there? Personally, I'd be more inclined to persist with him and try to give his confidence a boost that way. He could be a candidate for the Sub spot - he's shown at VFL level that, although he's primarily a defender, he can play HF/Wing if required, so he could be a decent 'swing man' option as Sub?

They will look at Buckley, but I'm not sure he is what we need at the moment because he's not a genuine midfielder yet and isn't a defender. He wants to play Garlett's role and Garlett is coming off possibly his best career game. If Buckley plays, it will be as a Sub and he'll play as a small forward when he comes on. So ideally he would come on late in the game for Yarran (who appeared to run out of petrol tickets in the last quarter yesterday), but if we cop an injury to another player early in the game I'd be worried about Buckley's lack of fitness to see out the game (particularly if the player is a mid) and the effect on our rotations. I also think we have enough light bodies in the side at the moment. He'll get a taste at some stage in the not too distant future, but I tend to think it won't be this week against a hardened Cats outfit (who I really rate).

I doubt very much Hammer will be available this week, so it's probably a choice between Warnock & Casboult (I thought Rowe looked promosing). Although Casboult had another quiet game, I think we'll persist with the current structure. I think we can only play Kreuzer and Warnock in the same team if one or both of them gets better as a forward. We just can't play 2 ruckmen who can't really play anywhere else (and despite what many people say, Kreuzer has never been very effective when used as a forward for long periods).

Tuohy, McLean, Armfield & Laidler didn't have great games, but their prospective replacements - Duigan, Curnow, AJ & White - don't really fill me with excitement. McLean in particular needs a good game pretty bloody soon. It wouldn't shock me if he gets dropped as soon as this week for Curnow actually. Walker was disappointing after quarter time after being one of our better players for the 5 quarters prior. Perhaps he was effected by the head clash, but I wouldn't be surprised if the video review of his 2nd half yesterday gets ugly...

Hopefully Ellard will return via the VFL this week because his tackling, endurance and goal sense will be welcome in the coming weeks. And as others have mentioned, McInness is a player that would be useful to have available right now.

So for me this week it's-

In: Scotland
Out: Davies

And fingers crossed that Laidler 'is better for the run' and that Walker has a blinder...


I agree with all of that.

But my ins outs are:

In: Scotland, Buckley
Out: Bootsma, Davies

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:15 pm 
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I think our development of players has been found wanting. Must remember we were never really ones for developing, we just used to buy what we needed. Does not matter whether you are an early draft pick or a rookie continued development is crucial. I believe we have failed somewhat in this area over recent years.


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