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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:00 pm 
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Just give him some more community service after all he has proven he is reformed

:?: How has he proven that?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:01 pm 
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He should be made to watch the Gold Coast game.

Come on CK.... It's not like he murdered someone!!!

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Or then there's the seemingly radical view that he's been judged and sentenced by the court of the land and it's not really any of the AFL's business.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:16 pm 
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Or then there's the seemingly radical view that he's been judged and sentenced by the court of the land and it's not really any of the AFL's business.

EVERYTHING is the AFL's, sorry el Presidente Demetriou's business

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Or then there's the seemingly radical view that he's been judged and sentenced by the court of the land and it's not really any of the AFL's business.


I would normally agree with you BigKev, but it was reported that Scotlands Lawyer argued for a lenient sentence based on the fact that Scotland had already undertaken community service voluntarily and that he was to be panalisede by the club. Surely the lawyer would have sounded out the club, AFL and AFLPA before making such a statement in court.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:29 pm 
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Or then there's the seemingly radical view that he's been judged and sentenced by the court of the land and it's not really any of the AFL's business.

That is a very radical view. In fact I'd call it a way over the top view, given where we've been these past 17 years.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:36 pm 
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Scotland protected his brother.Good on him.And if you knew his brother you would understand.Scotlands track record aint flash i will admit,but on this occasion i think if you guys were a little more aware of the leadup to this scuffle you would not be so harsh on Scotland.

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Scotland protected his brother.Good on him.And if you knew his brother you would understand.Scotlands track record aint flash i will admit,but on this occasion i think if you guys were a little more aware of the leadup to this scuffle you would not be so harsh on Scotland.

Facts like these won't stop the bogans and no-shows (many of whom support clubs with worse reputations of behaviour) baying for blood.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:34 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Or then there's the seemingly radical view that he's been judged and sentenced by the court of the land and it's not really any of the AFL's business.


I would normally agree with you BigKev, but it was reported that Scotlands Lawyer argued for a lenient sentence based on the fact that Scotland had already undertaken community service voluntarily and that he was to be panalisede by the club. Surely the lawyer would have sounded out the club, AFL and AFLPA before making such a statement in court.


Lawyers routinely make claims of a defendants good intentions and potential penalties. Eg the defendant has enrolled in a night class or the defendant will lose his job if he loses his licence etc.

However, if it does not make up part of the magistrates orders e.g the accused is ordered to do xhrs of community service or attend anger management etc, then there almost never any checking to see if these things occur.

Your lawyer can just about make any sh1t up he like if he thinks might help. The secret is to make the claims vague.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:07 pm 
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Bigredisback wrote:
Just give him some more community service after all he has proven he is reformed


:lol:

When did he prove he's reformed?

I think Scotty and the club have used the 'wants to be a fireman after football' story a few times now to get him out of trouble.


Fev, Merro and Skinny should have tried that one after the Melbourne Uni incident in 2001. :smoking:

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Donstuie wrote:
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Scotland protected his brother.Good on him.And if you knew his brother you would understand.Scotlands track record aint flash i will admit,but on this occasion i think if you guys were a little more aware of the leadup to this scuffle you would not be so harsh on Scotland.

Facts like these won't stop the bogans and no-shows (many of whom support clubs with worse reputations of behaviour) baying for blood.

Facts like which?

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moshe25 wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Scotland protected his brother.Good on him.And if you knew his brother you would understand.Scotlands track record aint flash i will admit,but on this occasion i think if you guys were a little more aware of the leadup to this scuffle you would not be so harsh on Scotland.

Facts like these won't stop the bogans and no-shows (many of whom support clubs with worse reputations of behaviour) baying for blood.

Facts like which?

Excellent question, as the case is finished with why don't you share with us your intimate knowledge Mick? Because at the moment it's hard to argue for him.

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-must-act-on-scotland-20121011-27fsp.html


Ah, so the AFL has been wording up journalists to put the heat on Carlton I see. Pretty standard practice.

I'm imagining the AFL wants a pre-season ban, plus 3-4 H&A matches. Sticks will want to take him out for a few beers and have a man-to-man chat. McKay/Swann is trying to broker something in between.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:27 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Scotland protected his brother.Good on him.And if you knew his brother you would understand.Scotlands track record aint flash i will admit,but on this occasion i think if you guys were a little more aware of the leadup to this scuffle you would not be so harsh on Scotland.


..and if Snotland knew his brother, he'd have been able to see trouble coming a mile off and avoided it.. ..seriously, he's a repeat offender is this, even using the "fireman" excuse a 2nd time when he ought to know [as do the courts actually] that he's no longer able to join even before any of this..

..the club said they'd fine and suspend, lets face it the cheap fines handed out are more often than not 5large, and nabcup suspensions can be figured into his pre-season training loads, not bad for a veteran.. ..it's weak, saying one thing and doing another..

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:43 am 
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That article from Caro makes my blood boil.

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It is not Carlton's fault that a magistrate in New South Wales gave Scotland special treatment by placing him on a two-year good-behaviour bond after he was found guilty of assault. But it is true the Blues supplied the player with a legal team not available to the three other men involved - all of whom were convicted.
The community has every right to feel aggrieved by the leniency received by Scotland. Offenders escape lightly in the legal system every day but how galling for the public and embarrassing for the AFL that Scotland was treated like a protected tenant because he is a footballer who would lose money and miss training in Arizona.


How dare we supply Scotland with a good legal team. FFS Caro, this happens every flower day. If you have money, you can get a good legal team. Why should I feel aggrieved by the penalty he received? He's a bogan who got drunk and punched another bogan who was also drunk. Big deal.

It doesn't matter what penalty we give him. It won't be good enough for Caro, Robbo, KB, etc etc.


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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Scotland protected his brother.Good on him.And if you knew his brother you would understand.Scotlands track record aint flash i will admit,but on this occasion i think if you guys were a little more aware of the leadup to this scuffle you would not be so harsh on Scotland.


..and if Snotland knew his brother, he'd have been able to see trouble coming a mile off and avoided it.. ..seriously, he's a repeat offender is this, even using the "fireman" excuse a 2nd time when he ought to know [as do the courts actually] that he's no longer able to join even before any of this..

..the club said they'd fine and suspend, lets face it the cheap fines handed out are more often than not 5large, and nabcup suspensions can be figured into his pre-season training loads, not bad for a veteran.. ..it's weak, saying one thing and doing another..

how can you possibly complain about a punishment that hasn't been decided yet?

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