With all due respect bondi, Kreuzer as ruck/rover is how to get sacked a month into the season.

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MM has tened to go towards the one ruckman model anyway. I can see him wanting to trade at least one ruck man and just using one in a game with back up from Casboult or similar.

With him its about midfield and rotations. The more the better.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Thats an interesting point.
Whats the Malthouse game plan? You cant necessarily transpose a game plan from one team to another. Collingwood were successful because they had midfielders with supreme endurance with a defensive mindset. Ours dont.
He had 2 key forwrads who were their bail out option going forward. We dont.
They also had success with a game style that other teams are now unravelling.

Pagan soon found out you cant bring a game plan and retrofit it into another side. His efforts to do so set us back years.
If Malthouse attempts it, it could be a recipe for disaster. Lets hope he has the sense to assess our list and play a gamestyle based on our strengths and weaknesses.
Although his ego may not allow that.

Perhaps Rattens game style may be assessed as the best for our list. Now that would be a laugh.

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Discipline is the first thing he would need to instill...

For too long, we've played like a country that's finally discovered democracy and they don't know what to do with it.

Put bluntly... this group needs a dictator to keep them in line.

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That was the same philosophy as what was had under Pagan... that and a culture of blind arrogance got us into our current predicament.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Freo before and after Lyon....think he has been able to implement his game style with the necessary tinkering given the pros and cons of their list as compared to the saints....

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I suspect individual brilliance will be curtailed.

Malthouse's teams often seem to be made up of a lot of so-called "average" footballers
who are actually bloody good but play in a very regulated manner, (which is ultimately
more beneficial for the team.

I can live with that. We're obviously very good now at ripping teams to pieces, but we seem
to struggle if we can't do that and have to fight out a tight contested one.

reckon micks first question to carlton will be, how can we get cloke here?
''TRY'' and trade players like warnock, hampson, ellard, garlett, simpson, russell

I reckon he's only ever had one decent ruckman on his list at the Pies. Be interesting to see what he does with 3.

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I reckon one day while he's on the golf course Grant Thomas & Rod Butters will sack him

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Some classic bookmarks in here.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

I remember your posts back in 2006 or was it 2007 (or both) when you were raving about this kid called Kreuzer who was too young to be drafted in the 2007 draft, and that we should wait for him rather than go for a ruckman or KP (Hansen I think) ahead of Gibbs and others in 2007.

I followed that kid Kreuzer, and saw him at Northern and yep I knew you were onto something. He was amazing with a huge engine...a sort of onballer.

Fastforward post knee reco, and I feel the game has gone past Kreuzer as a ruckman, and he really doesn't excite me too much as a FF either, but he might be able to play a Cloke like CHF role except he has one glaring weakness: he doesn't take contested marks. Period!

There's another issue and that is he isn't tall enough to compete with much taller ruckmen because he doesn't have a leap to get up high enough. That's the way I see it...and he's had plenty of time to come good post knee.

Yes he's damn good once the ball hits the turf, if the ball is in his path, but I think he has to be down there ruck roving to see more of this strength working for us and him. Hence, maybe, just maybe he's a ruck rover. If not...then I don't know if MM sees the benefit of a 200cm ruckman who doesn't take contested marks (like Wood).

As you may have guessed, I need to see a lot of improvement in Kreuzer if he's to be my preferred 1st ruck (ahead of both Warnock and Hampson). You see, Warnock has 6cm on him in height and another 10cm in reach...that's half a foot's advantage, and Hammer is only a couple of cms taller but can jump high when he's set himself up for the jump in the centre bounce. Which one do we trade????? They're all candidates. I guess it depends on how much one values ruckwork.

Before Jolly came to the Pies, they really valued what they needed, they just didn't really need 2 of them. Jolly comes along and bingo, they win a flag rucking against the Saints' ordinary ruck Kozi and hasbeen King. Now that Jolly is getting older, we showed the Pies what 2 young energetic ruckmen can do to an old man (admitedly Jolly didn't seem fit when we played the Pies this year). So, we need 1 and 1 reserve ruckman, not 3. Kreuzer seems to only do well rucking against an old man at the end of his career...so what does he do for us against all the other young spring heeled ruckmen in the comp?

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Just play a normal ruckrover like Muprhy, Carrazzo, Simpson etc. They will be 10 times better than Kruezer at that job. If Kruezer cant make an impact as a ruckman or as a forward then there is no position for him in the 22. Sub maybe.

He'll get blown away playing as a midfielder bondi, but I agree with you in that he is more than just a ruckman, just like Cox is more than just a ruckman. The reach issue is a concern, but he's got more he can do to gain the explosive power in his legs to make his leap a useful tool at centre bounces.

Give him time, what he's managed to achieve so far is bloody brilliant for his age.

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20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I reckon MM will try and de-mystify Judd.
Like Barassi did with Flower and MM did with Buckley, he will try to make him more accountable and improve him as a player by giving him more defensive tasks, and possibly play him off wing or half back occasionally.
He will try and build up strong inside mids like he did with Lucuria at Pies.
He likes class finishes on outside like Matera, Mainwairing, Hawkins and Thomas, so Gibbs might play off the wing next season.

I reckon our squad is most like the Eagles circa 1990 of the teams MM took over coaching - talented, but flaky and prone to lapses and unable to consistently compete with teams above them.
If true to form we should have a harder edge next season and improve quickly. He had Footscray, WCE, and Pies in finals in 2nd, 1st, and 3rd years, and they all started further back then we are coming from.

Cannot see someone as physically scared of contact as Gartlett surviving under MM

Why can't we give MM 3 or 4 years to get us into a position to challenge (prelims)?
Why do we over rate the list?
List is no where near as good as West Coast 90' with young Jakovich, Matera, Woosha, Heady, Sumich, Mainwarring

NAME 5 Elite Kicks in our best 22?
The test is a player who can kick accurately, with distance and underpressure
I would regard Scotland as the only elite kick in our side. Gibbs is close but I am not sure he is a good kick under pressure.
Therefore if you haven't got 5 players with good disposal in the whole side, how are you ready to challenge for a premiership.

Then you get to game plan problems

Then you have to work on the lack of hardness and mental toughness

EMBRACE THE REALITY WE ARE MILES OFF.

He'll want gut running bigger bodied players. The players each will have a role and if they cant fulfil it they're out and someone else will get a go. I also expect some list turnover in the next 2 years as he sorts a few players out.


I'll be very interested with what he will do with the list. Possibles:

Russell could very well be retained. Bigger stronger body type especially if he adds a few kilos.

Thornton as a back up ruckman key forward role whilst Casboult/Mitchell develop.

Could easily trade two ruckman.

Kicking and ball use. I expect will be a big decision in selection. Guys that can't hit targets will struggle.

Buckley to bulk up and be our Miss Daisy. Dale possible as well.

I could see him playing McCarthy straight up the way he did Reid. He will want 30-50 games into these kids as soon as he can. Bootsma, Mitchell, Casboult, OKeefe in the same boat.

I can see a midfield built around Bell, McLean, Robinson, Touhy, Gibbs and maybe Russell. I reckon he will want that size around the ball. That's where Warnock may come in. First use of the ball and structure around the stoppages will be a big focus. This releases Murphy, Judd, Simpson, Lucas, Yarran, Garlett to spread, run and carry.

Tempo control of games. Time to go flat out and time to hold and control. Something we just haven't done.

Improved workrate of Gibbs, Yarran & Lucas. If these guys can improve to levels expected it will make a massive difference to our results.

Judd a lot more up forward.

A settled back 6. MM will select a back 6 and try and let it settle. Running creative HB's with two talls and two taller third up options is his want. The way they work together as a group will be very important.

I will watch the next 6 weeks with interest then the draft.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

With a structured game plan and knowing where to go automatically and who will be there I rate these as very good to elite kicks.

Yarran, Gibbs, OKeefe, Laidler, Watson, Touhy, Judd, Betts (in general play), McInnes, Bootsma, Scotland.

Watch what happens when these guys have a role and and know exactly what to do in each situation. Also looking up and seeing players move to the right position will make a massive difference.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Walker in the midfield....

where he can exploit his pace and his stamina....

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