Understand and agree to some dgree
the Warnock deal is the worst though. I will never undestand that one. No brainer. And we have to pay him for 3 more years

My god!

No.1 draft picks are well and truly decided by all clubs and media before the draft day. The amount of articles about kruze, Gibbs, watts or swallow about being the "front runner" are huge and many. It seems to me that getting the first pick will guarantee you a very good player but not the best player in the draft. Saying we should have picked up selwood instead of Gibbs is probably the most stupid thing you could say regarding drafts. No one knows who is going to be genuine star from a 17 year old.

Just a quick right of reply Keogh...............Of all the kids you teach each year what percentage of them get 'A' at the end of the year?

Regards Cazzesman

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What a pointless thread
Name me any club and I'll show you plenty of mistakes (?) made.

Why don't you just start with teams 1+ 2 on the ladder right now. Try it!!

A loaded question Cazz.
I teach in a low social economic area that has been [REDACTED] up by shocking administration.
With VELS basically a kid has to be 2 years ahead of his or her year level to get an A
So your answer is 0.
I reckon I am a good teacher because the majority of the kids I teach are getting better. I guess that is how a teacher gauges how successful he or she is.
Yes. I know what your getting at.
I dont deny all clubs [REDACTED] up with recruiting .

Its just the quick fix solution the club seems to have with the 3 trades I have look at.
Its an opinion. Yep you work in the area I am being critical. You do know more than me.

Feel free to criticise the fact that none of my students dont get A. Your have the right to an opinion.

Bottom line Cazz an AFL club is judged on the win loss ratio, development as a team and ultimately a flag.


Oh and By the way the offer to meet up at JB's gig is still on.
Two grown men should put any differences aside.
Could be plenty to talk about.
when it comes to the Blues.

A loaded question Cazz.
I teach in a low social economic area that has been [REDACTED] up by shocking administration.
With VELS basically a kid has to be 2 years ahead of his or her year level to get an A
So your answer is 0.
I reckon I am a good teacher because the majority of the kids I teach are getting better. I guess that is how a teacher gauges how successful he or she is.
Yes. I know what your getting at.
I dont deny all clubs [REDACTED] up with recruiting .

Its just the quick fix solution the club seems to have with the 3 trades I have look at.
Its an opinion. Yep you work in the area I am being critical. You do know more than me.

Feel free to criticise the fact that none of my students dont get A. Your have the right to an opinion.

Bottom line Cazz an AFL club is judged on the win loss ratio, development as a team and ultimately a flag.


Oh and By the way the offer to meet up at JB's gig is still on.
Two grown men should put any differences aside.
Could be plenty to talk about.
when it comes to the Blues.

Cazz that's development, we're talking recruiting!

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Yes you got me, it was an extremely loaded question. They are easy to post aren't they. And yet you were inclined to offer reasons and explanations within your answers to justify whatever results you do or don't get. You think you are a good teacher. Would others say the same if they dissected your efforts vs results with a fine tooth comb 3/5 years later?

I think WH and SR are very good at their job when all things are considered.

Like all recruiters they have their hits and misses. Teachers have their own hits and misses I'm sure.

The hardest thing about recruiting is the fact you are dealing with 17/18yr olds. Kids who are coming into a situation that is so pressurised it is not surprising some don't/can't make it. They might give all the best answers when interviewed and they pass all the tests (both physical and mental) thrown at them, but no-one can really predict how the kids will react and mature in the environment of an AFL club. In the NFL in the US they pick mature men at 22 to play that sport and they still get it wrong. The NFL recruiters can't believe the AFL goes at 17/18.

Every clubs recruiters would like to bat at 100%. No-one has a 70% success rate let alone 100%.

I'm not trying to justify why any player has been picked. That's all been done to death.

I just wanted to point out that it is not an exact science. Just like Teaching, nomatter how good you might be at your job.

I certainly know the bottom line is all about the 'W' and the 'L'. The review will include the entire football department so I guess the reviewer will decide who has and hasn't got it right, based on all the facts and not just the W/L ratio.

Regards Cazzesman

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And as i said in the first post of this thread every club has hits and misses. That is what I said in the beginning.
Read it if you think I am making it up.

What do you think of Warnock and what he has to offer the club. I want to be convinced considering we have him to 2015

The Fyre / Mclean recuriting decsion is the one that Carlton should hang it is head in shame. A shocking list mangement decision.

Exactly.

Never understand the highlighting of past recruiting.

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Brad

The point of this thread is to illustrate the reason why we have gone backwards this year. Trading for players like Mclean & Warnock was ludicrous when players like Dangerfield and Fyre were there for the taking.

Sticks promised us 2 flags between the period of 2011-2015

Ratten promised us top 4 this year.

The club is a laughing stock and a disgrace to its members and supporters.

Dangerfield was in the 07 draft so has no relevance to the Warnock or McLeans trades whatsoever. We still could have picked Fyfe in the 09 draft even after the McLean trade but went with Lucas instead.

I'm sorry but you can't just be that selective. The only player we can argue we 'missed' on is the selection we trade for.

If Fyfe was such a standout, then how come the 2009 draft went like this?

11 Jordan Gysberts Melbourne
12 Kane Lucas Carlton
13 Daniel Talia Adelaide
14 Lewis Jetta Sydney
15 Christian Howard Western Bulldogs
16 Jasper Pittard Port Adelaide
17 Daniel Menzel Geelong
18 Luke Tapscott Melbourne
19 Ben Griffiths Richmond
20 Nathan Fyfe Fremantle

Yet keogh has praised Sydney and Geelong who both passed on Fyfe. Where was their 'genius' n 2009?

well said Cazzesman. Never fails to amaze me that we draft 17yo, add 40-50 kg to their frame then wonder why they lost pace/form/became chronically injured. This especially applies to KPP players at 6ft plus who we then take 2-3 years to develop and wonder why it fails. Its why some of the more successful picks have been ones who've come from mature competitions.

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Menzel, Vardy, Christensen, Duncan

That Wells dude sure knows how to find young talent.

When they are allowed to do their job.

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How did we miss Christian Howard

just mucking around harks

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