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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:59 pm 
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The worst thing for me is that I am starting to loose the believe I will see another flag in my life time.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:02 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Players have to be developed Braithy. You cant sit around waiting for players to improve. Its the role of the football department to implement strong development programs that accelerate development.
Levi is in his 3rd year at the club yet he still kicks like an under 10.
Kruez, Gibbs and co dont automatically develop because they're champion juniors. Its up to the club to recognise their deficiencies, put remedial measures in place and accelerate their development.

My main concern is our development seems to be all about physical development. What about kicking? Game sense? decision making?


Developing, is the least of our worries, tbh. Tom Hawkins has been on the geelong list for 6 years and couldn't kick until recently -- ie 3 weeks ago!. We, as fans, need patience with the developing.

Far more pressing is upper management, coaching, line coaches, and recruiting to compliment a gameplan and style of play that we are going use. And this structure needs to be mimicked at the Ants, so players coming into the AFL know their role and perform. If we establish that, suddenly development is taking care of itself.

The current strategy of a running plan and drafting runners, probably isn't working and hasn't worked for the last 3 years we've used it. With all these rule interpretations turning the game into a rolling maul, we need more Bell types, and less finesse running types, imo.

At least that's the way I see it. In saying that, I'm open to anything which breeds success. Sick. Of. Losing.

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My main concern is our development seems to be all about physical development. What about kicking? Game sense? decision making?


This comes down to drafting. You can't teach football IQ ... You can't teach someone to read and take the game on like Judd does.


Have to disagree on most counts.
Firstly, addressing your drafting etc is pointless until you have a strong development program to bring them into.
Suggesting "development takes care of itself" is either mischievious or plain ignorant to how successful clubs operate.
As for not being able to teach football IQ, thats nonsense.
75% of football development is about improving game knowledge for players. Nearly all training drills are game sense based. the majority of theory is based on structures, set ups etc.

Suggesting we go and get "Bell types" is farcical. Football changes from year to year.
You cant just go out and recruit a certain type of player because he suits this months style of game. :lol:
You need players who can adapt and evolve with the game. That comes down to good development and creating well rounded, versatile players.
We need to draft a well balanced list with depth in most positions. Its then the job of the coaching group to improve the players.

You're not Denis Pagan, are you?


That's dangerous talk and the kind of logic that gets you nowhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:03 pm 
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...Developing, is the least of our worries, tbh. Tom Hawkins has been on the geelong list for 6 years and couldn't kick until recently...


Except he pretty much won the grand final off his own boot last year.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:15 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
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...Developing, is the least of our worries, tbh. Tom Hawkins has been on the geelong list for 6 years and couldn't kick until recently...


Except he pretty much won the grand final off his own boot last year.



True, he did.

But, Geelong supporters, I'm surrounded by them. Up until a few weeks ago, they were prepared to put the grand final down as an aberration.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:50 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
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Well stop misrepresenting me! :screwy:

Its simple, if you dont want to be called out for being dishonest, stop being dishonest.


Misrepresenting you? Oh dear.

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Where have I blamed Ratts or Kernahan?


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Theres more red herrings in your past couple of posts than the total contribution of everyone on TC!
How do you justify Ratten having no idea of which kids are ready to take the next step? Surely if he's doing his job half properly, he'd know every person on our list completely. Strengths, weaknesses and idiosynchracies.


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Another ignorant generalisation. At least you're proving to be consistent I suppose.


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Go away, get informed and stop making foolish statements.



Like I said, bro. Patronising and bullyish. It's how you roll. You wouldn't talk like that to someone in real life ... If you did, you'd have a short shelf life.


You forgot the following part of the same post "Bro"
If you're going to post, post in context. Once again, showing your dishonest and untrustworthy methods. Now I'm not Rattens biggest fan but if you looked at the facts instead of trying to distort them, you'd see I've been all for keeping Ratts until the end of the year and then doing a comprehensive review. I'd also be happy to see Ratts stay next season as match day coach with a football manager looking after the media stuff etc allowing him to concentrate on his job.

So dont lump me into an anti Ratts group to suit your ill informed argument. "Bro",


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Now, I'm content to see Ratten stay at the club next year as a match coach but with supporters like you backing him, he may as well pack his bags now!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:

You forgot the following part of the same post "Bro"
If you're going to post, post in context. Once again, showing your dishonest and untrustworthy methods. Now I'm not Rattens biggest fan but if you looked at the facts instead of trying to distort them, you'd see I've been all for keeping Ratts until the end of the year and then doing a comprehensive review. I'd also be happy to see Ratts stay next season as match day coach with a football manager looking after the media stuff etc allowing him to concentrate on his job.

So dont lump me into an anti Ratts group to suit your ill informed argument. "Bro",


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Now, I'm content to see Ratten stay at the club next year as a match coach but with supporters like you backing him, he may as well pack his bags now!


Actually. I could care less what you reckon of Ratten. I was more talking about the piss poor way you go about proving your points and talking to people who you disagree with.

The bold font, and mimicking me with the Bro ... Point proven.

Again, if you talked like that to people in real life your nose would be bent 90 degrees to the left,

but I'll hazard a guess it's dead straight. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:05 pm 
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SUM UP THE SEASON - 2012

Port Adelaide
Gold Coast

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:07 pm 
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Something very familiar about Braithy... is that you Melvey???

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:07 pm 
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Fahour, fahour, fahour. The guy has done nothing for our club. I'll walk away from this club if he walks in as president.

We need change but not him.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:14 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
Something very familiar about Braithy... is that you Melvey???



no, no, Mr Cranium.

I swear I knew nothing about this place until a few months back I started following Liam on twitter and checking out some links back to here.

But I take it, Melvey was an inspiration poster who everyone loved?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:31 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Actually. I could care less what you reckon of Ratten. I was more talking about the piss poor way you go about proving your points and talking to people who you disagree with.

The bold font, and mimicking me with the Bro ... Point proven.

Again, if you talked like that to people in real life your nose would be bent 90 degrees to the left,

but I'll hazard a guess it's dead straight. :thumbsup:


:lol:

I'm happy to debate anyone but when you make unfounded and unsubstantiated statements about my views, I'm within my rights to rebut them. What should I do? Sit back and get painted as a Ratten/sticks hater because some keyboard warrior cant get his facts straight?
All that was needed was a retraction from you but you went off on diversions trying to save face.
All you've done is make yourself look dishonest and deceitful.
Not a good outcome.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:35 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:

:lol:

I'm happy to debate anyone but when you make unfounded and unsubstantiated statements about my views, I'm within my rights to rebut them. What should I do? Sit back and get painted as a Ratten/sticks hater because some keyboard warrior cant get his facts straight?
All that was needed was a retraction from you but you went off on diversions trying to save face.
All you've done is make yourself look dishonest and deceitful.
Not a good outcome.

Que sera sera


Hey. I was wrong to paint you into the sack Ratts corner. I'm sorry. I read back through some threads, and I was wrong.

The way you talk though,rubs my goat. And if you rub my goat, I'll set fire to your clothes line.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:43 pm 
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10th - 2 games outside the 8

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:30 pm 
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Fifty shades of Carlton

A little pleasure and a whole lot more pain.

And sometimes excruciating pain (like last night) when we least expect it


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:00 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:

Roy wrote:
Season 2012 - Promised top 4 and lost to the Gold Coast.


Our aim was to finish Top 4. It was the next logical step. We've failed that miserably.

But we weren't promised or guaranteed anything.


Brad

The coach and the captain stated at the season launch that we would be top 4 this year. Go back and listen to the interview.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:02 pm 
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Roy wrote:
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Season 2012 - Promised top 4 and lost to the Gold Coast.


Our aim was to finish Top 4. It was the next logical step. We've failed that miserably.

But we weren't promised or guaranteed anything.


Brad

The coach and the captain stated at the season launch that we would be top 4 this year. Go back and listen to the interview.


No Roy you will find that was all made up. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Roy wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:

Roy wrote:
Season 2012 - Promised top 4 and lost to the Gold Coast.


Our aim was to finish Top 4. It was the next logical step. We've failed that miserably.

But we weren't promised or guaranteed anything.


Brad

The coach and the captain stated at the season launch that we would be top 4 this year. Go back and listen to the interview.


And so they should have. If you dont have expectations, its easy to be happy with your achievements.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:28 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:

:lol:

I'm happy to debate anyone but when you make unfounded and unsubstantiated statements about my views, I'm within my rights to rebut them. What should I do? Sit back and get painted as a Ratten/sticks hater because some keyboard warrior cant get his facts straight?
All that was needed was a retraction from you but you went off on diversions trying to save face.
All you've done is make yourself look dishonest and deceitful.
Not a good outcome.

Que sera sera


Hey. I was wrong to paint you into the sack Ratts corner. I'm sorry. I read back through some threads, and I was wrong.

The way you talk though,rubs my goat. And if you rub my goat, I'll set fire to your clothes line.



Phwoar

All this talk about stroking goats....

It's a bit 'R' rated isn't it?

:garthp: :eek:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:28 pm 
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2012 = boulevard of broken dreams

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:50 pm 
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My doubts about this playing group taking the next step still lingers and will continue on.



eggsactly, Surrey. No matter who coaches us, and who our prez is ... I'll be kinda just waiting for us to lay an egg when it counts.


Unless the playing group take some responsibilty we will continue to be shit!
The team are soft!
I used to think our game plan was not robust; ratts and co would be found out and we could never win a consecutive block of games. But actually i think it has less to do with the game plan and more to do with the 22 that run out. The talent is undeniable but they dont want it bad enough- and the match committee have failed to weed out unacceptable standards

We need a new coaching group and match committee, and ones that wont tolerate piss weak contributions! For too long players have been given games on talent and this culture needs to change.

JohnM loved your post. Spot on.

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