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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Gawd, if we dish up anything close to what the Dogs are today, this place is gonna get torn down.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:25 pm 
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Best week to trial the three tappers

Bring in Warnock

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Not sure why people would want to move Henderson forward when he has clearly found his niche as a defender? The best teams have settled defences and we need to get consistent games into Jamison and Henderson as the centrepieces of our defensive unit.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Not sure why people would want to move Henderson forward when he has clearly found his niche as a defender? The best teams have settled defences and we need to get consistent games into Jamison and Henderson as the centrepieces of our defensive unit.

^^THIS^^


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:53 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Not sure why people would want to move Henderson forward when he has clearly found his niche as a defender? The best teams have settled defences and we need to get consistent games into Jamison and Henderson as the centrepieces of our defensive unit.


Same reason Bower and Jam have been playing both ends. Like Ratts said every player needs to able to play in a variety of positions. Its all about rotating all of our players. Give some of our forwards a rest when we have had the ball in our forward line for a long time.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:25 pm 
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yibbida wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Not sure why people would want to move Henderson forward when he has clearly found his niche as a defender? The best teams have settled defences and we need to get consistent games into Jamison and Henderson as the centrepieces of our defensive unit.


Same reason Bower and Jam have been playing both ends. Like Ratts said every player needs to able to play in a variety of positions. Its all about rotating all of our players. Give some of our forwards a rest when we have had the ball in our forward line for a long time.


Understand that, I'm just not a huge fan of the idea, particularly when things are going along pretty well anyway. It's not as if we struggle to kick a winning score with what we've got. Bower, in particular, has never shown anything to suggest any viability as a genuine forward option. Henderson and Jamison are going to play finals for us as key defenders, so we might as well get as many games and as much continuity into them as defenders as possible.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:30 pm 
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I'd rest Jamison, Waite, Judd and possibly Scotland.

Jamo and Waite are both injury prone and very important to our structure.
We want Judd fit and firing come finals time - unlike last year.
Scotto turns 32 this year - if he is feeling a little sore then give him a rest.

Percentage is nice but it is more important for players to be peaking in September - just like Geelong did last year.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:40 pm 
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I think Judd and Scotland should be rested, and maybe Waite.

anything more is to much, bring in Brock and Ellard, with the third spot up for grabs. Not sure if its a good fit or how he has been playing but I like collins!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:38 pm 
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves in this game. We can't rest a whole lot of players all at once. They should take turns. GWS played pretty well against the dogs today.

Every game should be taken seriously.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:20 pm 
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Maybe the time to trial the 3 rucks? I'd rest Judd and anyone with injury/fatigue issues, perhaps Scotland too if everyone else comes up. Not that they need it particularly, but it will help over the course of the season and Ellard deserves a run. So for me IN Ellard & Warnock OUT Judd & Scotland (unless injury a factor for someone else).


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:27 pm 
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yibbida wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Not sure why people would want to move Henderson forward when he has clearly found his niche as a defender? The best teams have settled defences and we need to get consistent games into Jamison and Henderson as the centrepieces of our defensive unit.


Same reason Bower and Jam have been playing both ends. Like Ratts said every player needs to able to play in a variety of positions. Its all about rotating all of our players. Give some of our forwards a rest when we have had the ball in our forward line for a long time.


Bower was such a success playing forward he was dropped. Jamo has hardly taken a game apart when given an opportunity up forward.

As Blues2005 says , why when Hendo has found his place would you want to try him forward again.

As for players playing in a variety of positions l haven't noticed Matthew Scarlett playing forward or Travis Cloke lining up at CHB recently.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:28 pm 
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I would chuck the earth at that Cameron to get him to the Blues - The kid is going to be a superstar

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:34 pm 
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I think you'd be mad to release someone from the team who is still trying to get touch - resting Jamison unless he has a specific soreness wouldn't be the right thing to do as he is still struggling a little from what I can see. Likewise Russell needs time in the ones.

I'd much prefer they play the key players on a lighter basis (60-70% TOG for Murphy or Judd) and at most rest 2 players for specific youngsters like a debut for McInnes or Kerr or someone like that. No debuts to ROund 5 make me a little terse.

In addition I'd much prefer they release some of the tags and say get armfield back to that nice forward role he played in Round 1 and / or allow Hampson a full half (effective time) to try to kick a bag deep in the forward line. If this means bringing in Warnock and losing someone on the bench then so be it but our team structure needs Hampson to take more than 1-2 contested marks a game up forward; if we can get this to 3-5 we're laughing.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:48 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Not sure why people would want to move Henderson forward when he has clearly found his niche as a defender? The best teams have settled defences and we need to get consistent games into Jamison and Henderson as the centrepieces of our defensive unit.


It's ONE game to trial something which may be forced on us in certain circumstances. Not a suggestion we make it permanent, particularly with Laidler out.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:34 pm 
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for me,
warnock for kreuzer
collins for russell
mccarthy for thornton
watson for waite
ellard for scotland

armfield jamison mccarthy
duigan henderson collins
lucas gibbs simpson
robinson watson gartlett
betts hampson walker

warnock judd murphy

curnow joseph touhy sub; ellard

would like too see watson play forward
mccarthy reminds me of mackie
collins to play scotty's role
warnock just to give special k a rest
waite to enjoy a rest
murphy, judd, eddie, robinson, simpson, jamison and gibbsy to rest up later on during the year.
just my thoughts, :thanks:
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:36 pm 
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Keep Henda in defence and let him know that he gets the big jobs each week. I like Ratts moving them around and the concept of it but with Henda just keep him focussed on what he is doing now because it is a very good thing.

Id like to keep the structure identical this week to what it will be all year. Rest some key players though.

Maybe trial doing away with the swing man postition and see how we go. If we can play that player as sub but add another running player to our 21 then we will be a better team that can keep the pressure up for longer.

Another option would be to play one of the big ruckman as sub just to give Warnock a taste.

I expect us to have a massive week on the track to load up for the month ahead which will affect our performance a little.

8 goal win.

Id also like to keep up the defensive side of our game and place an emphasis on them scoring as little as possible.

Us finishing with 100pts and them 30pts would be great. If we go all out attack players will get ahead of the ball and get bad habits for the following weeks. The goal should be to limit them to next to nothing while getting a reasonable score ourself IMO.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:45 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
BTW I would like to stick it right up that flower Sheedy just for old times sake


Very much so, give it to the delusional flower. 100 points plus. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:55 pm 
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Whilst I see the argument that blooding a couple of youngsters would be good for their development, I don't see who has been doing enough to warrant a chance. Kerr did a little last week, no so much this week, Bootsma little, Watson is a serial disappointment who needs to work on his game a lot at lower level, Buckley, McInnes and McCarthy haven't been playing much nor done much when they have played (that is not to say they are spuds, but they need gametime in the 2s), Bell went off injured and has only played 1 3rds and 1 and a bit 2nds games, who else is there?

The argument for experienced borderline players is a bit stronger, there is something to be said for getting fringe guys some time in the firsts. But, seriously, Brock? Last few games he's been given should each have had his card marked "never again". He's neither the future nor, absent horrific injury issues, the player to go to as a replacement for the present. Bower has been playing firsts and his performance this week doesn't cry out for elevation this week. Davies hasn't been playing, Rowe should be the subject of a missing persons report and the only player left I can think of is Collins, who has been going along OK (quiet this week) but scarcely knocking down the door. So whilst I am not against the philosophy of rewarding a couple of fringe players or kids who are knocking down the door, I can see only Ellard who has the form required, whilst Warnock could rest Kreuzer if thought necessary or allow the 3 ruck option to be tested, maybe Bower if we wanted to rest a taller player.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:18 pm 
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Ian, some of the kids need to be tested at a higher level though. It's disappointing that we invest so many years into a player like Kerr without seeing If he is up to Afl standard.

Some players just adjust to the higher level and plod along at a lower level.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:48 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Best week to trial the three tappers

Bring in Warnock



YUP!

I'm for this!


Send Hammo up forward and play Kruzer / Warnock in the ruck.

DO IT!!!!!

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