I'm sure some people have missed this over the last 18 hours, but the next person who decides to legitimately antagonise another poster because he cannot deal with their football rationale in the wake of a loss will be banned for 24 hours.

You are welcome to brush off a narky comment by all means, but do not wander in and make personal attacks or get over-zealous dismissing another person's view. If they were completely wrong you wouldn't even need to dismiss them, so accept they bring something to the table and discuss, because that is exactly why this forum is here.

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20 ways to see the world,
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fair enough jimmae but why havent you removed the post where i am called pathetic?

feel like i am being watched by the afl mrp when i post in here sometimes.

Because it would be pathetic if you were bothering about tracking Synbad's movements without pause for why he is or isn't here?

We all worked out last week he was doubling up on Easter, yet last night and today there have been a good dozen posters bandying that fact about like it means something.

Implying a man is a coward and then suggesting you track him like prey is sure to fire up plenty of emotion in most people.

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20 ways to see the world,
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this sites shit. @#$%&! easter my arse

agree, all Easter does it supply a $hitload more time to post $hit. Even positive $hit........

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

No. You are banned from posting

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My feeling yesterday was exactly that. The tackle(?) on Carazzo was meant to injure ....... Murph was lucky.

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Captcha log in will kill your posts if you're colour blind.

Carrazzo was definitely targeted IMO. He was in excellent form and much was made of that, and he has gotten in various Bummer faces in the past (Watson, Stanton).

The sad thing is that we didn't retaliate.
I have said previously that younger players come along faster and with more confidence when the senior players protect them and the cycle continues.
Sadly we haven't had that type of bullying players around the club for yonks.
We are a skillful side but need to stand up to bullies.
That comes with attitude.
We need to grow that now from within and the only way is to be constantly reminded from your peers and coaching staff.

We still need to get tougher and nastier

I think Murphy said on Game Day today that they were looking forward to playing the bombers again and retaliating for Carrazzo's injury

they had all game to retaliate

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

It was a dogs act by Lonergan and if he gets away with it it opens the door to mayhem. Good players will miss large chunks of big games when teams/players realise that a harsh drive tackle with nothing but injuring the player in mind is the way to take them down.

Not into it and and the AFL should come down hard. It not only robs the game of good players it brings the AFL's sub and interchange rules up for question and the AFL shouldn't like that.

The amazing part of the Lonergan tackle was that he immediately turned, stood on the mark while Carrazzo laid on the deck. It was as if to say......yep your free kick but I made my statement. The fact that our boys let him get away with that and the umpires did not pay a 50 metre penalty summarises what I expect the review panel to do - nothing.
What shits me even more is that this team is known to be a little fragile with this type of aggression and that every now and then sides bring this game out and we never, ever stand and deliver. Pisses me off no end.

That train has already left the station and we missed it - the time to fly the flag was immediately and all during the game.

They hit and sniped us all game and we did nothing.

Our on field leaders did not react on the field and our off field brains trust also appeared equally flat footed.

Murphy should know this lesson more than anyone after Brisbanes designated sniper Robert Copeland ended Murphy's debut season early in 2005 with a sling tackle at Etihad Stadium - probably cost Murphy the Rising Star Award too.

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Seriously some of you need to get a grip. We're now $5 for the flag. Get on. (ps Freo are $19 and the Bombers are write your own ticket)... absolute insanity what some of you are posting. It means nada this loss - and is probably a good thing....

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I agree with the flying the flag sentiment, but as the better side our reaction should just have been to put your head over the ball and go even harder.

If we got caught up in all that rubbish, I would have been screaming at them to "stop getting sucked in", "your better than that Blues" etc as we have done previously.

The Nth Melbourne game at Etihad in 2010, where every time we retaliated we got pinged, as well as the infamous Essendon* game in (early 2009?) where the game momentum changed due to a spate of free kicks, 50m penalties, reversals etc. are a couple that spring to mind.

With so many in your face flogs such as Davey, Monfries, Jetta etc they milk those kind of incidents to death. The Ryder push on Laidler in front of the umpire was the kind of thing that we wouldn't have got away with.

Perhaps our method should be to play like that from the start rather than having our focus switch mid game in reaction to such tactics.

Do we take a Hawthorn mentality and target a Ryder for example who has shown that he can be mentally and physically fragile from the start, rather than have him taken cheap shots at Murphy, or is it the Geelong mix of hard bastards and talent that should be our focus?

I understand there is a mentally and physically soft perception about us that we do need to change. On Saturday isn't wasn't just the fact that our intensity was down 10-15%, it was mixed in with the fact their's was up the same amount.

Even the great Geelong, Collingwood etc teams of recent years dont bring that same intensity week in, week out but that have built a reputation where you can see that there opponents are almost mentally beaten before they have started and barely fire a shot.

Until we shake this stigma then the 6th-11th sides are going to pencil in our game as one that they just might be able to pinch if they play to a standard gameplan, and ferocity.

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PROS

To come in:
Walker will add a marking target deep in attack.
Armfield to add some real zip from the backline and set the standard of intensity for Yarran.
Warnock is our biggest ruckman wth biggest frame and reach and can shepherd for his midfielders.
Kreuzer can be released to add some muscle in the midfield
Hampson can be the marking target at FF and Waite will be good to continue leading up outside 50
If Curnow doesn't have the required metres per minute then there's always Ellard and Joseph to help cover Carrazzo loss

We'll get them next time. I am still confident we'll make the GF.
Still believe we can beat the Eagles and Hawks in the last game of the year...just gotta get there.

Got more game time into Jamo and Duigan...they need it.

Agree with Ratts Waite was our best...just wasn't dangerous where he was getting the nut...Great contested marking.
Just need a marking target on the next line, not just Garlett and Betts....Hammer and Kreuzer were way up the ground most of the time.
Hendo was good too....and Scotto, Simmo, Judd and Murph did try.

We can win back respect with a win in Perth next Friday.

CONS

The loss really spoilt my trip to Melb.

Carrazzos injury.

Ruck work is where the problem started.

Intensity from the midfield freed them up.

Fumbles/ clangers by everyone...it became a disease

The ball didn't get to the FF line like it did for the Bumbers despite having more inside 50 entries than them.

Serious pace issue for Brock and to a lesser extent Curnow...peripheral imo

Really really dislike Lucas' game. His timing for marks, pressuring was sad, and his misses from in front...perpheral imo

Robbo's kicking in this game was the worst I've seen in the last 5 years. Seriously he got it a lot and butchered it alot...and what about first option...makes us look quicker. Really disappointed in his game. He cost us the game as much as the misses from Simmo, Waite, Betts and Garlett. FFS.

WE couldn't stemy the momentum during the 2nd let alone 3rd.

Bombers the real deal like Ratts suggested before the game.

If we bring this game to the 2 teams I've thought to be our major threat for the flag, WCE and Hawks...we're kidding ourselves


I didn 't know Carrazzo broke a shoulder blade when Lonegan drive tackled him, but I did take exception with the practise.
If the AFL don't find Lonegan guilty for negligence and rough conduct (let alone assault which is a matter for the police) then the precedence the inaction sets will be crazy. It will be open season to maim stars and really anyone anytime...and it only costs a free.

If he gets off I will write to and call most of the pro rugby Sydney media to inform them of the gutless practise no offside in AFL brings to the table. Its the same as a king hit imo. Imagine what mothers will think? Rugby is safer!

I am Really pissed off with the Carrazzo assault. He was making the AFL season really interesting for me and many others including the media. He was going to be a great story for the league and now Lonegan has take that away from us.

I'm too upset to think straight.

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