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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:12 am 
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Gibbs may be used to keep Pendlebury under control. Has worked in the passed but perhaps tweaks to our gameplan wont allow that to take place this time. Possibly during the course of the game it may get called upon.


Pendlebury will still get 3 votes even if Gibbs gives him another bath


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:15 am 
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Only Judd gets 3 votes when he's struggled

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:48 am 
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I'd probably lose Armfield and Russell. Yes we need good runners against the Pies but we have a team full of them now and just as important as being able to run as hard as Collingwood is being able to stand up in the contests through midfield and at either end.

Just for this week, we'll need to ask Bower, Henderson & Jamison to be prepared to run down the wing when it's their turn, and to perhaps turn Yarran lose in midfield for most of the game (which I think we did a lot in the Brisbane match it would seem). We'll also need Eddie & Jeff to turn loose through the middle and support right down to HB.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:07 pm 
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Thanks River. Much appreciated.
Was it an open session yesterday or do you just have your ways?


Gate was open - just had to know it was on, which was more good luck than good management.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:07 pm 
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Jamison for Russell is the only change i would be making.

Matchups:

Gibbs to Pendlebury
Carrazzo to Swan
Jamison to Cloke
Henderson to Dawes

Let Collingwood worry about Judd, Murphy, Simpson, Yarran, Kruezer, Betts, Garlett and Scotland

Thornton to play forward which would result in Collingwood having to play O'Brien on him which is a win for Carlton as O'Brien has smashed Betts the last couple of times. This would leave these matchups:

Reid to Waite
Tarrant to Hampson
O'Brien to Thornton
Shaw to Garlett
Toovey to Betts


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:11 pm 
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I think Bower is a better fallback on Cloke or Dawes than T-Bird.



Bower is superior in a man-on-man match up but T-Bird is far superior in zone defence and can play forward to great effect.

Bower offers better run out of defence (heart in mouth sometimes) but T-Bird provides some great tap-ons at either end of the field.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:15 pm 
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RiverRodent wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
I think Bower is a better fallback on Cloke or Dawes than T-Bird.



Bower is superior in a man-on-man match up but T-Bird is far superior in zone defence and can play forward to great effect.

Bower offers better run out of defence (heart in mouth sometimes) but T-Bird provides some great tap-ons at either end of the field.


My only issue with T-Bird these days is he's the biggest telegrapher of his intentions in the comp. Even his handball sometimes just look just so slow and he got picked off a couple of times against the Brions. You won't get any time against the Pies.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:44 pm 
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Bower is much more superior in one on ones than Thornton.
Thornton should not be played in defence unless we are extremely desperate, but, he is more than capable as the third tall in the forward line.
Gibbs should be unleashed in the forward line and let them worry about him.
Carrazzo has improved his disposal the first couple of games ( and I have been a big critic ) and understanding of first option. He is the best run with player in the league and should get Pendelbury.
After the bounce we should get someone or a tag of runners going with Swan even though his disposal is more blind than not these days.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:49 pm 
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If Jamo is fit, and it sounds like he is, then Russell needs to make way.

I'd be putting Armfield as the sub. Bring him late in the 3rd and use his speed!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:56 pm 
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We'll win, but then still cop flak for not beating anyone above us.
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gonna happen all year

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:57 pm 
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If Jamo is fit, and it sounds like he is, then Russell needs to make way.

I'd be putting Armfield as the sub. Bring him late in the 3rd and use his speed!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:00 pm 
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Duigan for Laidler I think. Laidler was subbed off on Thursday night. Might need just a week rest for his knee. Jamison for Russell is the other logical one however this may make us a tad tall

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:09 pm 
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Minimal changes. If Jammo is fully match fit, I'd bring him in, but ideally I wouldn't mind him having another week in the 2s. Duigan is not a walk up start and would have him in the 2s again.

This is a good test for us. Big K and Hammo should give us an advantage in the ruck.

Love to see Gibbs really impose himself and be a midfielder other sides tag rather than a link man.

JR is under pressure, where has his form gone? Looks a different player to a few years back and others have gone ahead of him. Carrazzo to Pendlebury.

Not convinced about TBird as a forward. Be good to see him play there against the Pies to see what he can do in a serious game.

The Pies side this week is very underwhelming on paper. I think it might be payback time.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:17 pm 
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Big game for Eddie, Heritier has owned him in the last few games.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Roy wrote:
Jamison for Russell is the only change i would be making.

Matchups:

Gibbs to Pendlebury
Carrazzo to Swan


Too reactive.
We should tag one of their mids (Pendlebury) and let Murphy go head to head with Swan.
Tagging both gives them the opportunity to dictate our midfield structure.
Mind you, tagging Pendlebury is harder than it sounds. He gets under the ruckmans feet better than anyone and his ball handling and vision is sublime.
Murphy gets plenty of possessions forward of centre where it hurts where Swan gets most of his back of centre. Let them go and see how it pans out.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:32 pm 
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Definitely have to tag Pendlebury ahead of the accumulator

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:02 pm 
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Gibbs played back against Brisbane and more often than not against taller opponents. We need to push him middle/forward.
Jamison to come in and play back with Laidler, Bower, Henderson, Tuohy & Yarran. Thornton to go forward and support Waite, Hampson/Kruezer, Gartlett, Betts & resting midfielder.
The player that will either make way, who is going to be very stiff, will either be Lucas, Russell or Armfield. For mine it will probably be Russell or Lucas. Armfield for sub - as he has played 2 full games now. Very stiff either boy but Jamison is our no.1 man.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:33 pm 
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a few possible matchups against this weeks named filth

FB O'Brien Keeffe Shaw
FF Betts Hampson Carrazzo

HB Tarrant Reid Goldsack
HF Garlett Waite Gibbs

C Swan Ball Beams
C Scotland Robinson Simpson

HF Thomas Paine Sinclair
HB Yarran Laidler Lucas

FF Cloke Dawes Fasolo
FB Jamison Henderson Tuohy

R Jolly Pendulbury Sidebottom
R Kreuzer Judd Murphy

I Toovey Clarke Blair Seedsman
I Duigan Curnow Armfield Thornton

Em Bower Joseph


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:37 pm 
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Interesting remark made by the commentators Thursday night with regards to our team changes. They said that this was the first time
we've had an unchanged line-up in over a season. In other words it didn't happen at all last year. Thought it was yet another positive
indicator of the clubs growing confidence and maturity in 2012. I like the idea of favouring the incumbent whilst the team's winning.

Having said that, I think that Jamison has to come in if he's well. He won't be at his best; nor will he be until he strings a few senior games
together but you've got to start somewhere. Who goes will probably have to come down to match ups. (please not Tuohy though).


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:51 pm 
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A fair chunk of score against this year (inc pre season) has occured when our press has been broken and the opposition have half a field to run into. Unfortunately for the opposition the amount of time they score from breaking our press is far less than the amount they get scored against due to our press.
Having fast mobile players in defence that can get back an cover when our press is broke is more important than bringing in another tall defender IMO. With another tall defender we may be cover arial balls a bit better but ground balls and our ability to quickly get into our defensive shape will be compromised.

I think we need to keep gibbs as a defender this week. He defends beautifully in the air and also is in top form with his hands and kicking.
His mobility back there and his maturity give the rest of the team confidence.

It is round 3 so we have time to try a few new things with balance so I wouldnt blame the coaches for trying to add another tall to our lineup and swapping out Jamo for Russ. IMO it will cost us run and a rotation and possible take away more than give us any advantage.

Will look forward to seeing how it all unfolds.


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