I agree with you completely Mr Caz. ^

I find the idea of investing some of the revenue from these pokies into community programs or whatever to help 'the problem'.... just absurd. It's like a Heroin dealer investing some of his profit into drug awareness.....All that you are doing is buying societies acceptance. You either invest in them or you make an ethical decision to not have anything to do with them.

I personally don't care in this instance..

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The problem will be made. for the solution to be sold, to your face before your eyes, tolerance is now the new danger

Quite interesting that the board of the Club see pokie dollars as money for jam. It's lazy cash, for lazy thinkers.

The board appear to be on a short term strategy of pokie money being some sort of panacea, yet have done everything in their powers to shut the club out of potential expansion in large areas (geographic and demographic) because of their thick-headedness.

I doubt that will change any time soon.

I love the team, but can't say the same about the club.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Awesome understanding of harm minimisation. I'm guessing you're one of the "well if it's bad for you, you shouldn't do it" camp.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Agro I was in that class at Trinity and not only is the above true but he also then proceeded to place said bets for students at the local TAB. He "resigned" soon after.......

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

if the money the Government takes and redistributes into roads, schools and hospitals, from self donaters who Drink, smoke and gamble means I don't pay as much tax for the same things then that's fine by me.

It's a voluntary contribution and the government both condones and encourages it. You can't have it both ways. Please don't ever tell me the Government is ever fairdinkum about stamping out societies issues. They couldn't afford to be fairdinkum.

You can discuss the issues regarding whether the club is seeking other revenue alternatives but pointing fingers at them for gaining revenue from Government sanctioned enterprises is just abit of the mark. I personally have a great dislike for all forms of gambling and I would love the Club to gain its money from every squeaky clean avenue possible but after awhile reality kicks in. As soon as Carlton is sponsored by 'Dolphin Free Tuna' we can all sleep easy.

Carlton FC uses Nike apparel as do many other Clubs. I haven't seen any angst raised about that issue on this site. Google Nike and see how and where they obtained their product from over the years.

Isn't NAB the current sponsor of the preseason comp. Where is your moral compass on a Company making billions for its shareholders who puts staff off to make more money.

The world is morally bankrupt in the pursuit of the almighty $$$$$. Laying it at Carlton's feet because a wealthy supporter gave the Club support is abit much IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Not long after he took up a position as Student Liason Officer at RMIT - when asked what he did there I believe his response was that he "liaised".

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

I hope the irony of the thread's title isn't lost on TC.

Garrett is arguably the biggest sell out in the country after he became a politician.

There is no need to be condescending. I think that TheBluesMuse raises a valid point.

Surely you could see the hypocrisy inherent in some people's proposals - which would have the Club wilfully accepting pokies revenue while at the same time committing to community programs or efforts designed to minimise the prevelance of problem gambling. We can't have it both ways.

This shouldn't be about the Club feeling that it has to compromise in order to assuage its guilty conscience. As TheBluesMuse wrote, the Club has to commit one way (accepting pokies revenue as a legitimate revenue stream) or the other (not accepting pokies revenue as a legitimate revenue steram) and accept the consequences that would flow as a result of its decision.

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Formerly Blues-Back2003.

NO it doesn't! But read the other posts. Corporate Social Responsibility. It all comes back to the brand. They're trying to improve the brand...emphasis on the word 'trying'. Maybe some of the revenue can be used to get some branding experts in. There are currently none at the club.

I can see the hypocrisy, don't worry.

And I didn't think I was being condescending, I was aiming for sarcastic.

The world doesn't fit into a black and white solution to all the ills of society. It's just not practical to say "if you are a tiny bit uneasy about pokie dollars, then you shouldn't accept a single cent which comes from them". I think it's an acceptable compromise for some of the poker machine money to directly flow to support networks and harm minimisation schemes which could help problem gamblers. The vast majority of gamblers aren't problem or addicted gamblers, and given the rate of return on average to a gambler, then a lot of the support money for social programs will be coming from regular but not problem gamblers. So, no, it's not like the description TBM gives of a dealer investing in drug awareness.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I'm just saying that putting revenue generated from pokies toward efforts to minimise problem gambling would be insincere and hypocritical - we would be hoping privately for something that we would be decouncing publicly (problem gambling). How would this help the brand when most people would see right through it?

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Formerly Blues-Back2003.

Sorry thought this was the Nick xenephon Andrew wilkie thread

I will just leave now

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

So it would be less hypocritical, and therefore somehow better to let all the revenue flow to the licensees and Governments?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

You do know that the state government fund problem gambling? http://www.problemgambling.vic.gov.au/

Personally I think it's hypocritical of my body to breathe out after it's just breathed in. I mean what's the point? This stupid cycle just goes on and on...

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STURDYISM!!

Short memory...

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

It must not be working though Doc?

Imagine if your job was "branding expert".
Satan's little helpers.
I'd kill myself.

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dane's trolling again

This is a crazy thread.

I can't believe the level of WOWSERism relating to pokies.

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dane's trolling again

Neither can I.

What about all the fat flowers that eat Mars Bars?

Or the lazy shits that drive Hyundais instead of walking or catching public transport?

If you looked at all our sponsors you could find enough reasons to condemn them as the poisoned chalice....

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Go to http://www.snoutslouts.org/ for a look at the mighty GFC...