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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:47 pm 
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Northern Bullants magoos 2.8-20 def. by Williamstown magoos 14.19-103

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Goal Kickers: A. ARROWSMITH , A. Marcon
Best Players: J. Dare, A. ARROWSMITH, P. Dirago, A. Marcon, K. Lambert, N. Smith

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:49 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Northern Bullants magoos 2.8-20 def. by Williamstown magoos 14.19-103

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Goal Kickers: A. ARROWSMITH , A. Marcon
Best Players: J. Dare, A. ARROWSMITH, P. Dirago, A. Marcon, K. Lambert, N. Smith



Bullants magoos are going well as usual

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:50 pm 
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Disappointing. We tried hard, but not hard enough really.

Too often the Pies were first to the ball and with too many numbers. That's got little to do with skill and talent and everything to do with desire and determination.

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Yes and no. Reason Pies are so good is they are so well drilled. When we match them for determination it is almost even stevens, but they are so good at always having someone outside the ring at scrimmages, and their defenders always protect the corridor. as such, at scrimmages, if they get their hands on it they know with confidence they can get it outside the pack and have the last man standing in space, and away they go... and if there's a poor kick inside F50 from CFC that goes into the corridor, the Magpies defenders will have prime position bec they protect the corridor, this also pushes the CFC fwds and their shots and goal to the boundary. Simple football but Pies are the best drilled at it


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:57 pm 
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We played pretty badly and lost by 3 goals. I thought we'd get done by 6-8 so wasn't too upset. Yeah, they missed a lot but so what, so did we (what's the record for the amount of posters in a game??).

Missing Jamo, Waite, Russell, Carrots - that's a fair chunk of experience and structure. Played Watson and Twomey who've played 4 AFL games between them.

Hendo did OK down back overall.
Duigan was one of our best.
Garlett and Walker were nowhere in the first half but got into it in the second.
Warnock did better this week but FFS Robbie, you're 206cm tall, getting muscled out of contests is ridiculous.
AJ was decent, hope he was taken off as precaution but who knows.

Beat the Bombers next week and the ship will be righted.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:59 pm 
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some odd selections recently. Watson starts ahead of Bower?? If Bower isn't good enough to start ahead of a kid who hasn't played for months, then surely he is just not up to it.

Ellard and Curnow give it their all but just don't get enough of it, are slow, and their lack of skill gets exposed against the top sides.

Betts struggles in big games (kicking to him one out with Harry - well, we aint gonna kick many goals that way), Jeffy looks tired and needs a couple more pre seasons.

Ratten outcoached again when Malthouse pushed Krakeur to goal square to take Yazz out of the game, at a crucial time when CFC had the run and energy.

Bottom line though is we have no depth in KPP. Hendo should be left in defense as he has body strneght and if developed and played down back I reckon he will turn into a good key defender. Up fwd it is Waite or bust which is a worry. Kreuzer cannot take a mark to save himself, pre or post injury. Walks too short to be a key fwd. We really need to recruit an experience,d quality KPP with versatility. How this game clould have been different if Tazz was on our side.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:04 pm 
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How many times did Judd bulldoze the ball forward of the pack into the hands of a waiting filth player? It was like the filth players know our strengths better than we do, it doesn't take a genius to know where Judd is going to direct the ball to from most packs (as demonstrated by the filth players :grin: ). The question is why don't our players understand how Judd plays!

So many wasted contested possessions by the captain :banghead:


That's the truth. Judd's handballing to advantage has been superb all year, yet today he'd toss it out and some black and white scumbag was on the end of it, while our guys where still where the ball had come from.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:06 pm 
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Went to the game expecting to get smashed.
Was happy with the effort, just outplayed by better opposition. Silly turnovers cost us, we had trouble kicking out from their goal too many times. Felt sorry for Watson.
In the 3rd quarter they kicked 3 goals from out of their backsides and we hit the post 3 times.
Our forward line was too small, hardly took a contested mark inside 50.
The usual players were good-Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson.
I wish Warnock would impose himself more on games and learn how to kick a goal.
No injuries that i saw, will have our work cut out next week.
Cannot believe that a woman in the line in front of me when collecting my tickets wanted to buy general admission tickets, must have been on Mars this week.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:10 pm 
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Cloke could have kicked 6 goals.

Thornton is a flanker, Henderson is a tall.

When players streaming from half back look forward, one will stand out like a beacon, the other blends in with our other medium forwards like Walker. Thornton played ok given who he had to play on but he doesn't present up the ground like Lachie does. Lachie may not mark it but he recognises when the HBF is !@#$%& about and needs an outlet kick.

Anyway Club, we'll agree to disagree on this one.


Fair enough.

We have been short in defense all year. Not that we need to add extra tall players but if we can replace one tall defender with a taller one then we will be a better team. Bower is probably the one they penned in in pre season but he struggles to string games and form together. Henda looks like the guy they want as an option. Jamo and henda flanked by duigan Yaz and laidler looks capable of matching tall guys that we struggle against. Its an option now and it could come in handy come finals time. Forward line of Walker Waite and resting ruck works best for us.

Henda will be a good forward in time and this experience in the backline will help his development.

Truth is i am more worried about getting the balance right. We started carrying and extra tall in the Brisbane game and we have not played well since (apart from bris game and a bit of sydney game). We need to get that right again for finals.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:16 pm 
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Watson not ready Austin should have played
Curnow underdone shouldnt have played Tuohy should have played
Twomey good selection fit and strong good first half
hendo should have played forward
Cloke would monster anyone so play Hendo forward and Bower on Cloke. Bower would also run off Cloke
We were so short up forward we were never a chance even though we did ok. Thornton doesnt like body on body
I thought we would never win. It was the same as last week.
Just don understand it
best 3 quarters Gibbs has played for the club( 1st three quarters)
Joseph good
Yarran needs to not pull out of contests
Class gets you only so far

Weird game
Thought we did really well but didnt role the dice on with Hendo
Warnock was better than last week
Ellard not the same since Mumford tackle
Scotland and Simmo are so underrated
robbo is a gem
kreuzer needs more games
Betts was ordinary but it doesnt help when you are expected to be a key marking forward
I would give Kerr a run before the seasons out.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:23 pm 
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Darren Jolly on Before the Game...did not give us a single bit of credit.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:24 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
How many times did Judd bulldoze the ball forward of the pack into the hands of a waiting filth player? It was like the filth players know our strengths better than we do, it doesn't take a genius to know where Judd is going to direct the ball to from most packs (as demonstrated by the filth players :grin: ). The question is why don't our players understand how Judd plays!

So many wasted contested possessions by the captain :banghead:


That's the truth. Judd's handballing to advantage has been superb all year, yet today he'd toss it out and some black and white scumbag was on the end of it, while our guys where still where the ball had come from.


I think Ratts might have been refering to this in the presser.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:25 pm 
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Disappointing day...

A few questions for the MC...

1. How did Watson get a game ?
- I have seen many bullants games this year and, without wanting to be unfair on Matthew (who is just 19), his deficiencies have been glaring even at Bullants level. I also don't recall him being in the best at Bullants level for two consecutive weeks (if at all over the last 6 weeks)...astonishing selection ????

2. Why was P Bower sub ?
- most posters would have pencilled Paul in our starting defence for Rd 1 this year. He has had a number of years in the system, built up his engine, learned the game plan and built strength into his body (although not as much as I'd like). He was setback by injury...but surely as a high draft pick who promised much, the injury to Jamieson was certainly the cue to settle him in the side and give him a prolonged run at CHB???

3. Why, in the absence of Waite (our pure marking forward), was our only other genuine key forward playing at full back ?
- and to make things worse we switched our most consistent defender all year (Thornton) into an unfamiliar role on a sort of dedcoy half forward flank. As with P Bower, Hendo has been groomed to fill a key forward role ever since he began his AFL career...he has been set back by injury but surely it is time for himk to shoulder the responsibility and step up at our time of need in the forwardline...or at least get that opportunity in Waites absence ?????

4. Why, after so many years, do we still have no co-ordinated system of kicking the ball in from an opposition behind ?
- the amount of times the ball sailed back over our heads for a goal after gifting it to the opposition from a kickout was almost a joke ! It almost seemed like Collingwood's most efficient avenue to goal was by first kicking a behind !!!! Of course, people will blame poor execution but I point to a lack of system and structure.

5. Why does selection continue to resemble chook lotto, plagued with inconsistency and pointing to no apparent master plan ?
- I refer to how Hendo was originally picked too early when not ready in RD3, why austin was plucked from oblivion only to be banished to the bullants seemingly for good one week later, ditto M Watson this week, why a number of weeks were put into Tuouhy this year only for him to be sent back to the Bullants when it appears we are craving some consistency down back, why Hampson rotted in the Bullants waiting for a chance to take over from Warnock???

Lots of questions...just hope that Sticks and the Board are sgiving them due consideration ...going to be an interesting end to season 2011.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:28 pm 
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Do collingwood supporters go to the footy top watch their team or the umpires?

Fair dinkum, they are obsessed.

If i followed a team that was as good as theirs is at present I'd bloody well pay attention.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:32 pm 
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Darren Jolly on Before the Game...did not give us a single bit of credit.
Just on Jolly, for the life of me i can`t understand why any teams trade with Collingwood. The Ball deal was even worse, Tarrant as well. Clubs should just refuse to trade with them. Coll` only get deals done when the cards are stacked massively in their favor.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:33 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
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Darren Jolly on Before the Game...did not give us a single bit of credit.
Just on Jolly, for the life of me i can`t understand why any teams trade with Collingwood. The Ball deal was even worse, Tarrant as well. Clubs should just refuse to trade with them. Coll` only get deals done when the cards are stacked massively in their favor.

I recall them offering some magic beans (or less) for Fev, and then complaining that we wouldn't trade with them.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:35 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Darren Jolly on Before the Game...did not give us a single bit of credit.
Just on Jolly, for the life of me i can`t understand why any teams trade with Collingwood. The Ball deal was even worse, Tarrant as well. Clubs should just refuse to trade with them. Coll` only get deals done when the cards are stacked massively in their favor.


Yeah me and the old man were talking about this today, mostly the Ball deal (although that did involve St Kilda being idiots).

Tarrant said he'd retire if anyone but the Filth picked him up - if anyone said that about Carlton we'd be done for draft tampering :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:36 pm 
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Do collingwood supporters go to the footy top watch their team or the umpires?

Fair dinkum, they are obsessed.

If i followed a team that was as good as theirs is at present I'd bloody well pay attention.


yep, posted similar in filth thread. Destruction of a full ponsford stand really would be a step forward for mankind

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:36 pm 
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With the exception of Simpson taking 2 good contested marks, honestly the Carlton team do not know how to take a contested mark.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:40 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Do collingwood supporters go to the footy top watch their team or the umpires?

Fair dinkum, they are obsessed.

If i followed a team that was as good as theirs is at present I'd bloody well pay attention.

Collingwood supporters near me whinged about the umpires for pretty much the whole game.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:51 pm 
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Henderson is Not a key defender. If Bower is in side why is he a sub? Surely he was the right match up for Cloke. We struggle for a key forward with Waite out and we keep him in defence. Why? We have enough other players that can play defence but not many key fwds.

Bower is a poorer option than Henderson as a KPD. Consistently plays from behind and looks to attack rather than get in front to defend. It isn't the season where Bower played well on Cloke by running off him. Cloke is now 108 kgs, yet still capable of covering a lot of turf. Bower is still a rake with his lack of core strength. Pears is stronger, yet two years younger. For the time being, Jamison and Henderson are our two best defenders.


The problem is that Cloke would have had 7 shots on goal today no matter if Henderson or Bower were on him. That's why Henderson should have been sent forward to give us a chance.

Watching Cloke's marks inside 50 which gave him shots on goal...would any defender have been able to stop them? It's bewildering......

I don't see it that way. Cloke missed some shots, but like Hall, he would have done more damage on Bower. No one could stop those passes, but Henderson competes harder than Bower. Our inside fifties, the lack of a third man up and pressure from his teammates were bewildering. Twice Krakouer got his hands on the ball in the middle and had what felt like an eternity to deliver inside 50. At times, Carlton are still bombing it in high and not lowering their eyes to go short.


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