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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:11 pm 
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I'd be surprised if they dropped Setanta. Reckon they will give Kreuz one more week.

Henderson will come in for Waite.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:26 pm 
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I hope they are just not keeping in Ohalpin for his ruck work - because if they are they may as well play Hendo and throw him into the ruck- Ohalpin contest 18 ruck contest won 2 and 1 was to advantage

I reckon Hendo could do that

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:39 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
I'd be surprised if they dropped Setanta. Reckon they will give Kreuz one more week.

Henderson will come in for Waite.


Any news on whether Waite is actually injured?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:51 pm 
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Being in regional NSW I watch a lot of game from my TV so it is hard to see what is going on. I thought Curnow was average yesterday and maybe carrying that injury and not 100%.

If he is not 100%, I would think either Brock or Houlihan should be given a chance if they are 100%.

Houlihan would be a great sub!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:18 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I hope they are just not keeping in Ohalpin for his ruck work - because if they are they may as well play Hendo and throw him into the ruck- Ohalpin contest 18 ruck contest won 2 and 1 was to advantage

I reckon Hendo could do that


I get the feeling you dont like O hailpin very much


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:46 pm 
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I just watched the game again and if O'hAilpin plays this week, then he has something on someone because he was next to useless .... again. Henderson must come in this week!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:04 am 
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Setanta was on fire early, but he makes too many awful decisions. That will likely make the MCs decision easy when Warnock Kreuz and Hendo come back


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:23 am 
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surrey Blue wrote:
I just watched the game again and if O'hAilpin plays this week, then he has something on someone because he was next to useless .... again. Henderson must come in this week!!!


You're a hard man Surrey. Setanta was okay for a second ruck / decoy forward. He is not going to be a star but he was okay. Put himself in very good positions several times, didn't get many knock outs, but neither did his opponent. Leigh Brown has shown that the second ruckman as utility is the go. Knockouts aren't decisive in the way they were years ago.

He has 10 contested possessions, made two bad errors, the careless 50 and the backwards handball to no-one. He also was sent to defence after Jammo went off.

I thought Big K was set to play 4 for the Ants, so won't be back next week. If Jammo is injured, who plays on Brown? Waite ? (Was it 10 Borwn got on him last time they were opposed? TBird (Did Brown get 7 ag him last time they played ag each other?
With our whole list available Setanta probably wouldn't get a game but that never happens.

Setanta is sure marked hard by a few fans. Kosi made a career out of 'playing his role' which involved getting about 5 disposals a game. The problem is that anyone in the Ants is a star, until they get a game.

Let's see if Big K is back and jammo and Waite are fit before we try dropping a 200cm player who can pinch hit forward , back and in the ruck.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:44 am 
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I like the way Setanta's being going about it, but he looked tired against Port and he might need a softer game in the VFL. If that's the case, the K man should take his spot.

Henderson in for Waite sounds about right and he'll want to prove himself against his old Side.

Thornton probably deserves to keep his spot. I think Hampson may have had a career breaking performance and was outstanding on the weekend. He really backed himself and I've been a staunch critic of his. Some of his work was great. He deserves another go while Warnock finds form in the Reserves.

Another question is Curnow. He was out of sorts in his first game back, to the point where he was almost a liability. If he isn't right, he should play for the Bullants to rebuild his confidence and fitness.

I assume Laidler isn't ready to come back, which means Touhy rightly gets another go.

I would just about in two changes with a potential third.

OUT: Waite (inj), Setanta
IN: Kruze, Henderson

Knocking on the door: Houlihan (for Curnow or Armfield), Warnock (for Hampson), Laidler when fit (for Touhy)

Can we finally say DEPTH at Princes Park? Lots of people deserving of a game, and very few spots open.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:50 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
surrey Blue wrote:
I just watched the game again and if O'hAilpin plays this week, then he has something on someone because he was next to useless .... again. Henderson must come in this week!!!


You're a hard man Surrey. Setanta was okay for a second ruck / decoy forward. He is not going to be a star but he was okay. Put himself in very good positions several times, didn't get many knock outs, but neither did his opponent. Leigh Brown has shown that the second ruckman as utility is the go. Knockouts aren't decisive in the way they were years ago.

He has 10 contested possessions, made two bad errors, the careless 50 and the backwards handball to no-one. He also was sent to defence after Jammo went off.

I thought Big K was set to play 4 for the Ants, so won't be back next week. If Jammo is injured, who plays on Brown? Waite ? (Was it 10 Borwn got on him last time they were opposed? TBird (Did Brown get 7 ag him last time they played ag each other?
With our whole list available Setanta probably wouldn't get a game but that never happens.

Setanta is sure marked hard by a few fans. Kosi made a career out of 'playing his role' which involved getting about 5 disposals a game. The problem is that anyone in the Ants is a star, until they get a game.

Let's see if Big K is back and jammo and Waite are fit before we try dropping a 200cm player who can pinch hit forward , back and in the ruck.


Nice post gerry :thumbsup:

I thought Setanta did really well last week. It was uncanny how he got to so many contests to at the very least nullify the opposition. He created many opportunities, and people see what they want to see. Had quite a few pings at goals, and if we weren't so selfish in the 1st half and used him when he was in a better position, he would have had a few more shots. He was our leading goalkicker against the Dees, so he can kick a goal.

Like Sydney Blue said, and I agree, as a ruckman, Hendo could do what Setanta did on Sunday, and I believe that Hendo could man up on J. Brown too, and I don't think there's any doubt that Hendo is a better KPF than Setanta.

I think it would be great to keep Setanta in, but it's high time we picked a fit and in form Hendo. Last time we rushed Hendo in the team when he wasn't ready and I think the MC don't want that sort of criticism hurled at them again: that wasn't Hendo's fault.

I'm in no hurry, so I'm intersted in what the MC choose to do, because whatever they do, we will win this weekend...by heaps.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
surrey Blue wrote:
I just watched the game again and if O'hAilpin plays this week, then he has something on someone because he was next to useless .... again. Henderson must come in this week!!!


You're a hard man Surrey. Setanta was okay for a second ruck / decoy forward. He is not going to be a star but he was okay. Put himself in very good positions several times, didn't get many knock outs, but neither did his opponent. Leigh Brown has shown that the second ruckman as utility is the go. Knockouts aren't decisive in the way they were years ago.

He has 10 contested possessions, made two bad errors, the careless 50 and the backwards handball to no-one. He also was sent to defence after Jammo went off.

I thought Big K was set to play 4 for the Ants, so won't be back next week. If Jammo is injured, who plays on Brown? Waite ? (Was it 10 Borwn got on him last time they were opposed? TBird (Did Brown get 7 ag him last time they played ag each other?
With our whole list available Setanta probably wouldn't get a game but that never happens.

Setanta is sure marked hard by a few fans. Kosi made a career out of 'playing his role' which involved getting about 5 disposals a game. The problem is that anyone in the Ants is a star, until they get a game.

Let's see if Big K is back and jammo and Waite are fit before we try dropping a 200cm player who can pinch hit forward , back and in the ruck.


Nice post gerry :thumbsup:

I thought Setanta did really well last week. It was uncanny how he got to so many contests to at the very least nullify the opposition. He created many opportunities, and people see what they want to see. Had quite a few pings at goals, and if we weren't so selfish in the 1st half and used him when he was in a better position, he would have had a few more shots. He was our leading goalkicker against the Dees, so he can kick a goal.

Like Sydney Blue said, and I agree, as a ruckman, Hendo could do what Setanta did on Sunday, and I believe that Hendo could man up on J. Brown too, and I don't think there's any doubt that Hendo is a better KPF than Setanta.

I think it would be great to keep Setanta in, but it's high time we picked a fit and in form Hendo. Last time we rushed Hendo in the team when he wasn't ready and I think the MC don't want that sort of criticism hurled at them again: that wasn't Hendo's fault.

I'm in no hurry, so I'm intersted in what the MC choose to do, because whatever they do, we will win this weekend...by heaps.


Setanta is doing ok, but the fact is if Special-K is to come in, it is Setanta's spot he will take, and you cannot argue that Kruze is not a better player than Setanta. That's no slur on Setanta, it's just a fact.

Now if Hampson had struggled again you could make a point of dropping him for Special-K but he had a pretty good game as first ruck and actually started to take a few grabs around the ground, so no option there.

Even if Waite is out, Hendo would be a better CHF than Setanta as he has more physical presence at the contest than Setanta.

If everyone on the list is fit and in form then Setanta is not in our best 22, but this never happens and he is one of the first to come in for injuries to any of our talls and therefore very valuable to the club.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:39 pm 
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Just a thought... if we are worried about the quality of our entries into F50 - and we should be - then Hoops coming in this week should almost be a lock.

If he gets his hands on it 15 times the team will be a lot better off. He would actually force Waite and Walks to lead into better spots.

If it's Armfield who has to make way, so be it. I don't think there should be a concern about Hopps' toughness or willingness to uphold the current standards within the team. check out his first quarter against Melbourne last year. As a defensive forward he was roving to be a real headache for opposition rebounding defenders. He would be the perfect person to stick on Hanley or Adcock.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:12 pm 
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Ratts said in his presser he "expects" Jamison to play but Waite will be tested later this week. Bower and Houlihan coming into calculation for this week. Henderson expected to return "soon" and Kreuzer "close".

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The possibilities are endless for changes! Could be Bower, Houlihan and Kreuze/Hendo in with Jamison, Waite and Setanta out?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:40 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Ratts said in his presser he "expects" Jamison to play but Waite will be tested later this week. Bower and Houlihan coming into calculation for this week. Henderson expected to return "soon" and Kreuzer "close".

http://twitter.com/Carlton_FC

The possibilities are endless for changes! Could be Bower, Houlihan and Kreuze/Hendo in with Jamison, Waite and Setanta out?


I love it!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:55 pm 
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..i don't think it'd be Setanta's position that Krooz would take if/when he returns.. ..he might ruck F50 stoppages, but i don't think they're planning on having him ruck center bounces so soon [at AFL level].. ..and if that's the case then the 1st ruck needs a chop-out from another player.. ..also, while i agree that the big irish's tap work isn't spectactular, his 2nd/3rd efforts in the ruck see's him snag a few clearances and 1st possessions..

..who's got the biggest fitness base of the rucks..?.. ..may come down to that..

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:06 pm 
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I think Kreuzer will play Bullants for another week.
Henderson will come in for Waite and Warnock will come in for Hampson.
Curnow didnt look 100% to me and there is no point playing him hurt. If his shoulder isnt 100%, he shouldn't play.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:25 pm 
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Hmmm ... I reckon Stanta has been pretty good up until the Port game. I would be very surprised if they dropped him.

Not sure whther Warnock will come in for Hampson ... Hampson did ok ...

Henderson for Waite seems certain.

Dare I say it
... Brock for Curnow .... (ducks for cover) ... :smoking: :smoking:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:35 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Kruise should not be brought in for at least another week - even two.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:54 pm 
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Got to keep in mind, Krooz is either brought in or travels to the Gold Coast for the Bullants game


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:56 pm 
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Is there an issue with playing in a warmer climate that I'm not aware of?
He has recovered from an ACL. 2 hours in a plane isn't a big deal.

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