oops!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

How so. Bulldog's finished last. We got our priority pick at 2

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These times are a wound that will never truly heal and this thread just shows how quickly the issues can come back up.

Just for the record, but Pagan went to the board and asked them for the direction to take, ie. should we try to stay comeptetive by topping up, and this is what was agreed. Financially we were in no position to completely drop away and could not afford drop in crowds, members etc. It is why we needed Fev and the other 'hacks'. It worked for 1 year and then completely fell away. There is a myth that we should have just gone with rookies and smokey's in the draft, when realistically we would have been no better off long term, and completely un competetive in the short term and then potentially folded.

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Have I run too far to get home?

So Pagan went to the board - the Board instructed him to do whatever you can to remain competitive-

Well that worked well


when will people realise that he was just shit and stop making excuses for him

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Didn't say it worked!

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Have I run too far to get home?

Correct - we didnt miss out on the priority pick as that was at No.2 when we got Walker

We missed out on pick 5, Melb ironically used it on Brock McLean - but the real scary part was that if we kept pick 5 we would have drafted Kepler Bradley, but the Bombers did with pick 6!!!

Dont forget Peter McKenna.

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All my dangerous friends

The thing about Martyn was though he was blatantly recruited so he could get to 300 games. No other reason. Shocking.

For the record? Where is that on the record?
I would dispute that theory completely. Pagan was his own man. He wanted to stamp his imprimatur on the playing group and from day one did things his own way. I distinctly remember Pagan claiming that the only way to win was to recruit strong bodies who could play "efficient, collision footy". It was all about a pig headed game plan and breaking the will of a previously empowered playing group that resisted his brainless, robotic approach to the game.
"Dont think, dont create, dont handball. Just kick it to the hotspot and everything will suddenly fasll in place"

Bottoming out, board input and financial considerations are a furphy.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Just to cheer everyone up. I completly destroyed a Collingwood supporters day and shattered her delusional state when I pointed out that Collingwood only got its start back in the day thanks to Carltons benevolance. It got better when I produced the documentary evidence that was hidden deep in Collingwoods own archives.

She was still muttering "I don't believe it" when I left at 5.00.

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06

Believe what is easy to fit in your world view. It is your choice, but it has no relevance on what really happened.

Link is not around any more, but Pagan clearly explained what happened.

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Have I run too far to get home?

And you've just sunk your own theory there, SA. Blue Vain is right, Pagan recruited the biggest burliest back he knew who might be able to help shield our young developing backs from maulings time and again. Pagan explained that very clearly many times.

That it happened to be Martyn, who was approaching his 300th match was a happy coincidence for both Pagan and Martyn.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Blue Vain and dont let people forget it.
I dont think Pagan could even spell empowerment. He was a coach who's time had come and well and truly gone. Can you imagine that approach in the coaches going around today?
Mr Elliott's final bad decision

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Tell me that you wrote that with your tongue well and truly planted in your cheek Captain!

That move was not about protecting our young backs, it was about superannutaion for Mick and gifting him the 300th game (after which he was mysteriously injured and never palyed again)
Manton and others may not have been as big, but they were Carlton and would have given much better value.

Hey Blue Mark. I must have missed what led up to your post, but this sounds like gold. Can you point me in the reight direction for more info?

Succinct and to the point Verbs

I dont get your highlights Blue Dog?

I agree the 'who's' debatable but the rest?

Like I said, the two things happened to coincide serendipitously for Pagan and Martyn.

To claim any great conspiracy is a little paranoid, IMO.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Just a cheap shot from me. A comment on spelling followed by 'who's' when it should have been 'whose'.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.