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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:53 am 
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I don't know....that looks like a blue pen; this is not gonna work for me. Couldn't you have offered a black pen? The lack of an option just makes us look like we haven't thought this out..


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Good news for those of you still upset with the blueprint, a group of highly influential, like minded supporters are taking action today to convey their disgust.

Join them from 10am outside Visy Park as they band together and call for some simplistic targets they can tick off in the blue print and hold the board accountable for. Among their demands will be.

1) a checklist similar to this with targets relating to membership numbers, 10% growth etc to be included in a tear out section on the back page

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2) a pen on string attached to the front so they can fill in their checklist 5mins before the AGM

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3) a fun-filled section in the middle pages to keep them entertained while people talk about important stuff

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Here are some of them arriving now








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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:01 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:38 am 
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To demonstrate the club cant win on this one, we have some calling for more detail and targets, and some saying there's too much detail and concepts within concepts and it needs to be simplified.


I agree with this and you could pretty much say the same about any issue with the club. We are Bluebaggers afterall :grin: On this issue though and I certainly don't consider myself a negative type...I just hate five year plans and corporate speak. I just think it is a bit of a toss with all due respect to those who work in those areas. Clear goals and plain speak...works wonders :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:49 pm 
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First and foremost, we must congratulate the Club for actually spending time, resources (both internal and external) and money on building a proactive, forward-looking plan and most importantly, for submitting an abridged version of it for public scrutiny - this now not only gives the Club a definitive set of goals to work towards every day, but enables them to be both accountable and measurable, internally as individuals working for an organisation hellbent on success, as well as externally. There are a few big calls in this plan which are no doubt going to raise criticism but the Club knew that beforehand and they are obviously very willing to take it on the chin if they don't hit the goals they themselves have now publicly stated. Be proud of your Club for having the balls to take this course of action.

I also agree on first read there are a multitude of business and leadership clichés in this plan, and the fingerprints of all-too-often formulaic consultants are definitely on it. I am in that industry and it often depresses me to see the cookie-cutter approach that can be sometimes taken. BUT...we need to remember what we are seeing here is essentially the PowerPoint version, and it's extremely difficult to convey the complete message in bullet-point form without a clichéd appearance. You boil any set of goal-oriented messages down and comes out as commitment, excellence, collaboration, focus and co-operation. I personally would love to hear someone from the management team walk me through this plan in detail. I'm certain there's a ton of work that's been done which one would hope has resulted in a plan that fully reflects the requirements and building blocks to achieve future success for the Carlton Football Club. I'm willing to trust in my Club for that much.

So, frankly, this version of the plan is not really going to tell you much other than what I said above. There's a plan. It's "The Bold and the Blue-tiful" -- and we've now publicly committed to some big goals and timelines on which we can be measured. At the end of the day, however you want to cut it, if we win two more flags by 2015, I'll be a very happy man.


Thanks Dave. Well said. :thumbsup:

It's a great step forward imo.

Too easy to take a swipe at the plan, but to do so is rather unintelligent given that imo it's a general plan and the details it lacks I'm guessing is what will make the plan successful.

Sure there's a bit of cookie cutting going on, but aint that the case usually with consultants?

We're heading in the right direction.

I'm expecting 2 Flags in the next 5 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:22 am 
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Anymore detail than that and supporters wouldn't understand it.

Not sure what you're expecting to see in there, or if you believe thats the 5 year plan the board are working off.

From a club that gives its supporters little, I think this is a pretty good effort.


I could have written that rubbish in 5 minutes on the toilet mate, take off your blue tinted glasses and stop being so patronising about your fellow Carlton fans


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:30 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Anymore detail than that and supporters wouldn't understand it.

Not sure what you're expecting to see in there, or if you believe thats the 5 year plan the board are working off.

From a club that gives its supporters little, I think this is a pretty good effort.


I could have written that rubbish in 5 minutes on the toilet mate, take off your blue tinted glasses and stop being so patronising about your fellow Carlton fans


Is that different to you patronising the Board whist seated on the porcelain?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:40 am 
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Sugarcane wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Anymore detail than that and supporters wouldn't understand it.

Not sure what you're expecting to see in there, or if you believe thats the 5 year plan the board are working off.

From a club that gives its supporters little, I think this is a pretty good effort.


I could have written that rubbish in 5 minutes on the toilet mate, take off your blue tinted glasses and stop being so patronising about your fellow Carlton fans


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:05 pm 
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What they have released on the net, what I saw the other day, comes across as flimsy, corporate gobbledigook, and it's partonising to think supporters couldn't understand it if they released more detail.

As I said, I could have written that rubbish in 5 minutes.

I'd love to read the finer details while sitting on the toilet mate. At least that way I can see if the club are actually doing anything about the debt, and if they actually have plans to win us those 2 Flags in the next 5 years.

The lack of deoth in what they showed online, and the timing of it after Richmond (?) released something similar the other day, stinks of a knee jerk reaction. No substance at all, at least in what we saw the other day.

Show us the detail. We're not that stupid. I write 100 page corporate reports every 3 days, so believe it or not I can actually digest that stuff.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:08 am 
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You are a superstar!
I am in awe of your digestion and corporate report writing skills! I mean 100 pages in 3 days! That is epic!
I wish you were in charge!
Digestion is one of my great skills too! My end product probably doesn't smell as good as yours though!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:37 pm 
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"In my conversations with the board I said that if you were St Kilda and you had said that you were going to win a flag in the last three years and you just missed out, like they have, then you wouldn't deem that time to be a failure. You'd deem that you just missed out on reaching an incredibly challenging goal.

"There's no use in setting goals down low - you need to set them high and if you get them then that's great and if you just miss out then hopefully you've still achieved something as well."


Judd should stay out of board matters...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:39 pm 
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I was about to ask you why Kouta after seeing your eyeroll emoticon, but the smiley face makes me think you agree with the man's views. :thumbsup:


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