You're assuming we will be going crap.

If we are winning, it won't happen.
If we are losing, we shouldn't let the media dictate what we do anyway. Ratts will know that anything other than top 4 wont guarantee his job.

I know you aren't one of them Brad, so its not aimed at you, but there are plenty of posters waiting for the team to fail to say "I told you so" about Ratts. And that is a disgrace.

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I'm shocked if that is the case

Regards Cazzesman

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I know its hard to believe, but its true.

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At Carlton FC the only thing we ask for is success.
The ultinmate goal is the Premiership Cup.
We've got a most enviable list and this young list has played finals 2 years in a row.
The window is open for our next Flag and for Carlton that will be the case forever more.

Ratten knows where he stands.
Top 4, Home final, winning that final and playing in the prelim is the aim.
If Ratts gets us to the GF then I suspect he's safe...unless there's a better candidate to take us to the next level.

I'll leave those decisions to those in high plces at the Club.
But I'm under no illusion that Ratts is not guaranteed another contract after 2011.

We're Carlton, and we have high expectations and expect the best on board.

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Yes we want success

and we understand the situation is very different from the 70's and 80's.

For a start we are no longer alphabetically the first club and that's just about undone us!

So maybe we eed a cvoach with A -


Ayers - arhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

if ratts fails, the media will ask why we wont re-sign him , is he gone?

if ratts succeeds, the media will ask- then why not re-sign ?

we wont win eitherway, so forget about them, be consistent with the approach, and get on with the job

Haha ... not even a nibble.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Blues must lift for ratten

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/b ... 5961119936

I love the last bit, Gary march reckons Richmond will smash us round 1

Significant Improvement required for him to keep his job.
There's a plethora of coaches coming out of contract.
No doubt Swanny knows through their manager's lips if they are interested.
There's plenty lining up and the heat is on Ratts.
I hope Ratts is given a 2 year contract after 2011: 2012-2013.





Carlton would only do that if Ratts won the flag in 2011: I hope he does.

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using your argument, why waste so much money on skills, development and coaching....they only make a marginal difference

If you don't believe that Mick Malthouse and Paul Roos (and I can't stand either) aren't exceptional motivators, influencers, leaders and developers of men, value adding to whatever natural talent and 'inner motivation' players already have, then that's fine. I do

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Put a line through Malthouse and Roos. Quality of the plethora looks pretty average aside from Mark Neeld who in reality is as unproven as Ratts' was.

I'm undecided....

But what do people honestly think - unbiased views (if possible):

Q: If Ratts loses his job in 2011, do you think prospective (high calibre) coaches from outside the club will look at Carlton as a particularly attractive opportunity??
(assuming there are other potential openings, or its not the only job going)

Just curious...

I reckon he'd almost have to make a GF to get a contract extension.
Maybe a top 4 and good prelim showing if he's lucky.

And Doc.... tell Jeannie Pratt to put a line through Malthouse... she's hell bent.

Perhaps, and you'd know better, but Ratts doesn't know where he sits in the pecking order amongst the prospects.

One thing that's for sure, is that if Ratts does not match the expectation of the board, he's gone, and all other candidates (and there seems to be plenty) will have a better chance than Ratts at coaching the team in 2012.

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Well it looks like the decision makers are at the very least waiting.
The thing I find odd is that the target Ratten has set for the team seems to be out of kilter with the CEO of the club.

Ratten has steadily improved over time. Each time a weakness is exposed he addresses it. I believe the higher calibre assistant coaches will help immensely. I suspect he will continue to improve in 2011 but that may not be enough if successful, proven coaches are available.

However, I would be reluctant to replace Ratten with an unproved coach. And I would urge caution when grading Ratten in comparison with 'successful' coaches. Even Malthouse has taken over 10yrs to win a flag with all the resources in the world. several top draft picks and favourable draws. Roos, clearly an excellent people manager, won a single flag by 1 kick with the best on-field leadership team in the competition and against a team without a forward line and with a very ugly brand of football that we would all be screaming about.

Of those 8-9 coaches out of contract at the end of the year, there are not many I would have confidence in. Neil Craig is probably the top of that list and he is criticized for poor finals-ready game plans. And I think he has publicly stated he will not coach another team after he leaves Adelaide.

In the meantime, Ratten is no longer the rookie coach he was when we hired him. He is now infinitely more experienced and probably a surer bet than either of the Scott brothers, is looking better at the moment than Voss (!!!!).
I like the look of Dean Bailey & Hardwick is talking the talk pretty well - both teams showed remarkable improvement but Melbourne won 8 matches and the Tigers only 6. Don't think our trajectory was any worse than that when Ratts took over?

I'm all for getting the best available coach at the end of 2011. And am not overly tied to Ratten - was quite critical of him during our slump. But I'd also caution against being overly romantic about the brilliance of other coaches and overly critical of Ratts. The grass is always greener on the other side.

If Ratten is to be replaced at the end of the 2011 season it has to be for proven coach like Malthouse or Roos and what a golden job they will be inheriting.

Continued improvement of the side is almost a given when you consider where the list is at in terms of age and games played, but this will still take time.

Key position forward and a tight back six is where the sides development is going to be make or break.

Will this be achieveable in 2011???

So what does this mean for Ratts ???

What a brilliant post.

Agree with everything written.

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Actually, thinking more about where responsibility lies, it's a bit confusing.

Here we have Swann, in no uncertain terms, laying it on the line for Ratts, but then listening to Alan Richardson on the other hand when he was appointed talking about his increased responsibilities that includes tactics and playing styles amongst other things, it seems a bit unfair IMO on Ratts for him to cop full responsibilty if things go a pear-shaped.
Yes Ratts is senior coach, but who exactly is responsible for what?

The other thing about Swanns forthright comments is the not so subtle clarification for all the other potential senior coaching candidates to keep Carlton in mind.

Can't say Ratts would be too impressed with that Swann interview.

All the talk is of Malthouse.

Of all the other coaches, are ANY ones that you'd want

Not coaching atm

Leigh Mathews - not likely to return
Paul Roos - probably not interested
Mark Williams - Nope
Mark Thompson - In bed with James Hird

Currently Coaching

Malthouse - You'd take him if he was available
Clarkson - Optus Oval would be burned down
Harvey - Spud
Worsfold - Not the worst option (no pun intended)
Craig - Could be considered
Hird - New to Essendon*
Lade - New to Port
Scott/s - New or locked in to their respective Clubs
Hardwick - Locked in to Richmond
Bailey - Won't want to walk away from that potential list at Melbourne
Longmire - New to Sydney
Voss - Thank our lucky stars he said no
McKenna - Probably has the best coaching job in the AFL at the moment
Lyon - Not the worst choice
Eade - Not sure I'd want him

Ratten - Seems to be improving. Question marks on some areas. If Blues look shaky by Round 11 then his papers are signed you'd think. Not sure he has gotten the best out of developing his top tier players. It's the later picks and rookies who seem to be developing further. IMHO Murphy should be winning games off his boot, and Gibbs not far behind him. Let's hope this year they deliver MORE (similar to their 09 output which was awesome).