Glad you're not a bra.

Forgot to add another pro in jacobs. Getting better and better. Our ruck div is exciting

Yes Hendo played a reasonable game after a few missed marks in the first half. He is not the issue and hopefully he will develop over the next 2 years. The issue is, the facts say we don't win too many with him as a key forward at this stage of his career. IMO , for us to win without Waite you have to play Kreuzer as a key forward. We can cover Kreuzer with Warnock/Jacobs--we can not cover waite


NB-: we also don't win too many with Andersen, Robinson as replacements for run and carry players like walker, bower and lucas

Carlton beat Geelong, Adelaide and Richmond with Henderson in the team.

And pushed Brisbane to 19 points at the Gabba.

Ditto for Robinson except for the Geelong game.

Great observation to basically infer that we can't win without Waite because we're playing Henderson.

*Bronx cheers*

AJ Terrific on Rioli
Robbo tried hard and was rewarded in the second half
Jamo was good after half time
SImpson was ok
Murph was good when he got the pill
jacobs ok

cons
missing skill of houlihan
missing run of bower and walks
thornton terrible, shadow of former self
chris johnson had a 'mare before he got injured
sentanta, betts misses in 3rd qtr
judd missed 4 shots all on the run
terrible disposal by our good ball users

Next Week
Ins
Hoops
Bower

Outs
White
Johnson

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Yeah fair call Cazzesman just thought I would make the point...

I know you're a passionate supporter and I enjoy your passion and reading your posts on here, just thought I would point out something I noticed... Personally, I thought our overall effort was down but nothing like the way we played against Essendon*, when we seemed to play with no heart at all.

I do agree with what you said about how we played and what contributed to us being flat, I just think Blue4 was justified in letting off some steam...

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Would be nice, but are either of these realistic inclusions next week? Also keen to hear whether Yarran's injury is anything that will keep him out.

Cons:
Biggest con for me was Betts. That miss from 15m dead in front is unforgivable. Resulted in a 2 goal turnaround when the game was in the balance. If he wants to tell people how he's the leader of our small forwards, then he needs to stand up when it counts.

Gibbs was another, absolutely no hunger or desire. Has been treading water all season with his contract up in the air, and has shown little to suggest he's worth the big dollars his agent is no doubt trying to suck out of the club. Comparisons to Selwood in relation to contract negotiations are absolutely laughable.

Juddy's disposal. His turnover kicking across goal was probably the worst of any player in our side this season. Had two chances to kick a "Captain's goal" and never looked like slotting either.

Thornton. Destroys our momentum coming out of defence, puts teammates under pressure, and turns it over far too easily. Unfortunately we're stuck with him due to injuries.

Injuries.

Pros:
Kreuzer and Jacobs. Our rucks stocks are outstanding.

Anderson and Henderson both improved in the second half. Robinson showed plenty.

We surely can't be any worse next week.

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Pro:
* I got to watch the live stream.
* Hendo and Sauce good

Con:
* team as a whole did not turn up to play
* we lost by about our average losing margin to these pricks over the last 6 games, now 7 games
* deplorable umpiring - how can they just ignore certain players being held off the ball throughout the game?

One final comment .... it's about time our players stood up and actually turned up to run and play against these smug pricks.

Stats are objective, intensity and effort are subjective. The big Irish fella was down today and someone said it a couple of week's ago, it seems like he has been told to play on at all costs. Brain fade is not an apt desciption, it is what he has been drilled to do...

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PROS
Jacobs
Anderson did some good things
Hendo has good head on hios shoulders, will work really hard to improve and will play 100+ games for the club

CONS
If you lose the midfield you lose the match, we did and we did.
Looked flat hard to be up all the time
Hawks won a flag in 08 and still have a talented side when their heartt is in it. We need them to beat other sidees around about us.
We can't carry injuries and need Bower, Walker Houla and several other to be fit and firing
Why can't we get a tough in an under into the side. I had high hoped for Grigg but he seems to have gone backwards over the last couple of years and have ankle issues.
Hadley is very slow and is chronically injured
McLean is very slow and chronically injured
Murphy and Gibbs need to keep improving, handle taggers and turn games when things are going bad
Buddy would have struggled deep in the Blues forward line, we just didn't get it in there
Must move the ball quickly if we are to take advantage of small quick forwards
In trouble against sides who really pressure us, we over hand ball
Next few weeks will tell the story, must beat sides below us.

Generally player comments in isolation of the game itself need to be taken at face value. Hawks had a full press on and covered the back (ie the kick over the head) which st kilda et al havent done. Carlton struggled to get any run through the game when trying to clear, forcing themselves into skill errors and with the hawks around the ball pouncing.

The only time we had fluency was in the third when we had marking forwards (and a few turnovers) actually impact in one on ones.

Overall I thought we were either out-structured or the boys didnt take it on enough when running from defence. Gibbs, Russell etc got the ball and tried to clear but too often dinky 20 metre passes going nowehere (the exact same thing Thornton gets in trouble for). No surprise that those who love a physical contest (Jacobs, Robinson) were able to have some form of impact whilst the rest of us got stuck trying to go outside and failing.

Huge lesson for the Blues.

Ratts said Yarran had cramps in his quad and was getting treatment during the game so they decided to rest him in the last quarter.

It would be fantastic if we could get those two in this week (fingers crossed)

PRO:
It was shown live in Sydney

CON:
I watched it

I have been waiting all year to see this new-look forward line. Pretty disappointed

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Pros
- Henderson fumbled a bit but was better in the second half. Think he just needs some more seniors experience to build his confidence
- Robinson pretty good, ditto Jacobs. Interesting our best players were the ones who either hadn't played in a while or who'd only played a few games
- Simpson did well and was also one of the few players to do well against Essendon*
- Collingwood lost this round.

Cons
- General mental and physical lethargy. I would rate this game the worst for the entire season.
- Judd had a bad day. I know we can't expect him to be BOG all the time, but he made some horrible turnovers and missed two reasonably easy goals
- Kicking out of defence was terrible
- Setanta, Betts, Gartlett and Yarran (though hampered by injury) all well held resulting in few goal kickers.
- Buddy finally deciding to pull his finger out and kick some goals.

Con
Having to endure (year after year) listening to the pack of at least 30 Hawthorn supports standing behind Aisle 37 chanting non-stop these stupid soccer like songs. The 'All you need is Rough' is particularly grating!

Does anyone else sit in this Carlton member area and hear this? These louts stand in the same spot year after year. They obviously can't even afford to buy a damn ticket for a seat. I truely hoped we would win yesterday to shut these lowest common denominators up!!!

Sorry, just had to get this off my chest. Carry on.

Pros: I have been away for 10 days and have the Port game and the Hawks game to watch this week on the IQ

Cons: I'll only watch 1 game this week

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

I agree Molsey: a huge lesson for the Blues.

The press is something the team will look at today and figure out what they should have done, and what to do next time this happens.

Experience is the mother of all learning.
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Must admit I haven't read the full thread, I'm sure some fo these are repeats;

Pros;

Sauce - will take some serious dislodging from the 22 now
Hendo - reward for effort. Needs to sort out his kicking though, seems mental more than anything. When he doesn't have time to think he hits them ok.
AJ - Terrific 4 qtr effort
Kreuzer - worked hard
Murphy - ran hard


Cons

The worst tackling display we've put up in ages. Lost count of the number of arm tackles we threw out which got brushed aside.

Coupled with poor decision making and execution - seems to me like there was a degree of mental fatigue. If we're serious about being a factor in September this needs to be addressed.



We need a response this week against the Eagles.

M4M I have since moved from that area so I don't have to listen to them anymore. But I agree they are annoying.