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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:43 pm 
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once again BG, you don't know if he was willing to be handcuffed or not.

Is a buck on a bucks night handcuffed assault also?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:50 pm 
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There is something seriously wrong here. IMO this article is not about Chris Judd – he is the pretext.

The booze cruise occurred almost two months ago. It was widely written up, discussed, club ridiculed, players scorned, by a press, overly bloated with sports journalists, who had a field day - every day - over and over and over again.

In response the club immediately fined three players the maximum allowed penalty and subsequently suspended them. The captain very publically shared responsibility and declared it simply will not happen again.

Together with the AFL the club also put in place a plan to promote responsible alcohol behaviour.

Somehow this was not good enough for the rabid hounds. It would not have mattered what the club’s response was, it still would not have been enough and that is my point.

In this latest, of a two month long sustained attack, the press, in this case Caro, unbelievably trivializes ‘rape’, ‘racially induced assault, battery and robbery’, and ‘drug trafficking’ by comparing them to the stupidity of being intoxicated and playing drinking games.

I am not commending drinking games but maybe the result is a headache or bruised ego or even, heaven forbid, some camaraderie. Whatever, I am not commending it and think it highly stupid but a drinking game hardly draws comparison to rape, or assault or drugs! These are crimes and they really do have the potential to be life altering, life scaring and even life ending.

Something is dreadfully wrong. I do not believe in vendettas or Caro’s supposed hatred or jealousy. My point is why is the club’s relationship with the press so bad and how can it be fixed?


Really,though,you are commending it..and handcuffing someone is a form of assault..isn't it?...and a form that forces you to grin and bare whatever ritul you are asked to perform..or risk group ridicule,being outcast...God knows what else...it's time to go....drinking games.
i also think that comments like the ones given by Hoops ,don't inspire poeple in general, as well as the press, to take seriously our promises to change the culture of the club.
As Juddy says..it is time for action..so let's wait and see.

''so let's wait see", Wilson didn't !

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:53 pm 
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once again BG, you don't know if he was willing to be handcuffed or not.

Is a buck on a bucks night handcuffed assault also?


..i agree with this.. ..there's nothing nowhere stated that he wasn't a willing participant.. ..he's a young kid out on the town with his mates, having drinks.. ..being briefly 'handcuffed' to a mate and knocking back shots isn't 'mental/emotional assault'.. .... ..and seriously, those handcuffs.. ..thats some serious unbreakable bonds right there, seriously.. ..not police quality, most likely sexyland quality.. ..possibly even with the pink fuzz around the cuffs..

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:01 pm 
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any of you clowns ever played in a professional sporting environment?

this type of stuff happens all the time to rookies and much worse stuff than drinking

rookie initiation is a part of a lot of sporting cultures

we are no different, levi being handcuffed was tame

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:07 pm 
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When I was a kid at school they used to initiate year 7's by putting their head down the dunny & flushing the chain.

Nothing ever happened to the purps & I don't think any victim was scarred for life.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:07 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
any of you clowns ever played in a professional sporting environment?

this type of stuff happens all the time to rookies and much worse stuff than drinking

rookie initiation is a part of a lot of sporting cultures

we are no different, levi being handcuffed was tame





And it is outdated particularly at AFL level


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:15 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
any of you clowns ever played in a professional sporting environment?

this type of stuff happens all the time to rookies and much worse stuff than drinking

rookie initiation is a part of a lot of sporting cultures

we are no different, levi being handcuffed was tame

were talking Australias elite sportsmen to an 18 y.o in Australias elite competition..... not Themelda Heights FC

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:18 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
once again BG, you don't know if he was willing to be handcuffed or not.

Is a buck on a bucks night handcuffed assault also?


oh, yep, I do get your point kk..in both those cases...without getting unside the participants' head....how do you know if they want to...even if they agree?
A new rookie is not going to say no. Do you see my point?
He would be embarrassed or ashamed to say no woudn't he?
I don't believe he had a real choice.
As to bucks nights....I don't know every man( :lol: )but surely not every personality type would like to be handcuffed and forced to drink..just like not every man would enjoy going on a P and O cruise ship,and being forced to play stupid games,and sing kareoke....would they?
So...to answer...it could be assault in both those cases..we just don't know.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:22 pm 
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glad that you now admit that you don't know, previously you said it was assault.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:24 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
any of you clowns ever played in a professional sporting environment?

this type of stuff happens all the time to rookies and much worse stuff than drinking

rookie initiation is a part of a lot of sporting cultures

we are no different, levi being handcuffed was tame

were talking Australias elite sportsmen to an 18 y.o in Australias elite competition..... not Themelda Heights FC


i was also talking national elite level

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:28 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
any of you clowns ever played in a professional sporting environment?

this type of stuff happens all the time to rookies and much worse stuff than drinking

rookie initiation is a part of a lot of sporting cultures

we are no different, levi being handcuffed was tame


Agree with this.

In my own opinion I see nothing wrong with what went on.

I do agree with Keogh to an extent about Judd's captaincy although I believe BV puts it best.

I can't see anyone on the list at the moment who has all the attributes for a top captain. Murph and Gibbs are still so young and introverted at the moment but let's just watch the character development of the guys over the next couple of years, they no longer have a huge Fev bearing down on them so the dynamics of the group will change now.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:44 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
glad that you now admit that you don't know, previously you said it was assault.


KK..you may be right...I don't know.
However,personally i think handcuffing a kid is assault..even in this context,because he is not truly free to make a decision,for reasons i expressed earlier.
Whether that would hold up in court is another matter.
Obviously the old school bonding culture still resonates with some of our posters.
Do you think differently if you have a teenager of your own? It could be that...orjust my female point of view...I don't know..but it makes me sad that people think thio kind of thing is good.
I think it should be completely seperate from AfL clubs and how they celebrate.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:52 pm 
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Caro's been itching to write this since it happened, but she's been on holidays and this is the first chance she's had.

That's why the article seems oddly-timed and petty and vindictive - you'd think there'd be bigger off-field issues in footy right now for The Age's "foremost" football journalist to get her tiger-teeth into (and there are) but like I said, she's wanted to have a crack since the day the boat sailed.

Unfortunately for her, the whole boat thing has been done to death, so her first column back is just a bit of old news. I think she's slipping.

Here's some off-field issues that are perhaps a little more current than the booze cruise:

Port Adelaide, one of the most successful and influential clubs in Australian Rules history, bankrupt and a bees-dick away from folding. Port Power, the 2nd team in a two-team town (in a rabid football state) basically broke. WTF is going on there: should the AFL replace Power with another neutral non-aligned team? Because at the moment, they're clearly stuffed.


GWS and Sheedy: the news limited press is turning against him, and them. The fight is on, and a hundred million of football's dollars are being thrown into it. Big news.

Rapes, assaults, drug dealing.

and surely she can find the time to write an article on how unfair it is that Richmond looks like being shitful for another 3 years, just when the PP has been scrapped, and the new franchise teams are about to take all the good draft picks.


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Good to see we're letting Caro achieve her goal

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:56 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Good to see we're letting Caro achieve her goal

Spotondon !

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
we're talking Australia's elite sportsmen to an 18 y.o in Australia's elite competition..... not Themelda Heights FC


Trust me Synners...it happens at the highest level.

I haven't read the entire thread, but keep in mind that Caroline Wilson has been brainwashed that 'Carlton is evil' from her birth in 1960. Her father joined the Richmond committee in 1967, was President of the Tigers when they won 1973, 1974 and 1980 flags and when they lost in 1982 :grin: That's some impressionable years living under the same roof as your father whose best mate and sidekick is Graeme Richmond. The two would have been within earshot for years about such things as how Carlton had an unfair advantage of country recruiting zone (us Bendigo and Richmond the Sunraysia Leagues), which means that young Caroline was brought up to hate the Navy Blue.

Pretty hard thing to be weened off I would of thought. Blame her editor, who constantly let's her get away with writing such drivel. Pretty soon, she'll have to focus on Richmond...but right now her head is too scrambled to think straight...she must be terribly frustrated that Richmond have picked the worst possible time to bottom out and Carlton have timed their run seemingly well. And when things aren't running smoothly for Carlton, just think how depressing it must be to be a Richmond supporter! That always cheers me up!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:00 pm 
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Personally, I think she's just a sour old mole.
Oh well, hopefully she enjoyed seeing the tigers new game plan last night. :lol:


Beautifully said BV. :smoking:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:06 pm 
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Am I the only one who thinks she makes some sound points?


No


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:09 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
KK..you may be right...I don't know.
However,personally i think handcuffing a kid is assault..even in this context,because he is not truly free to make a decision,for reasons i expressed earlier.
Whether that would hold up in court is another matter.
Obviously the old school bonding culture still resonates with some of our posters.
Do you think differently if you have a teenager of your own? It could be that...orjust my female point of view...I don't know..but it makes me sad that people think thio kind of thing is good.
I think it should be completely seperate from AfL clubs and how they celebrate.


I'm of the superior sex too bg :)

My experience with alcohol over the years with my group of buddies has always been positive.....it has some great qualities.....it allows you to loosen up and really strike up a report among your mates share things without inhibition...it helps you bond.

That's why I don't ever object to a large group of young men getting on the turps to see which one has the biggest feathers....which one can impress the group the most....and which one can be laughed at or led astray the easiest. It's about pecking order, finding your role in amongst that group. It's normal, natural, and I believe beneficial.

If this group of players achieves what I hope it will, they will have a tight bond that i as a women will never understand and something that some blokes on here will never have experienced. Levi will stick up for that very bloke who initiated him, that very bloke he was handcuffed to with no thought whatsoever cos he'll love him as one of his best mates ever.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:10 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
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Am I the only one who thinks she makes some sound points?


No


Nothing to do with the article but the timing of it!!!!
Pathetic journalism to say the least.


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