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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:20 pm 
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Haven't read many posts in here, but this is what I would personally do.

Study really hard on how teams such as the New York Yankees, Manchester United, the Los Angeles Lakers, etc, etc. package and present themselves to the mainstream audiences. Yes, AFL will never be on a global scale like those companies are but the AFL dominates Australian sport.

You think of baseball, you immediately think of the Yankees. You think of football/soccer you think of Man Utd. Basketball, the Lakers, ice hockey, the Red Wings.

After you've studied and found the secret ingredients to the recipe (they all share the same thing in common) you use those ingredients to make the Carlton Football Club the most recognizable, progressive brand in Australian sports. You make the Carlton Football Club pseunomynous (sorry my spelling is shit today, been up 3 days straight, still cant sleep) with not only the AFL but the entire country.

I swear to you the first AFL club that can successfully market itself like that will be so far ahead of the competition that it isn't even funny. Collingwood try and do it but they fail so epically because they don't realize that it has to become the mission of the club rather than something that it does when it gets an opportunity to be on television. You don't wait for an opportunity, you create the opportunities.

Carlton can do it. We have the tradition and the history to become that football club.

When I hear someone mention Australian sport, I want the Carlton Football Club to be one of the first non-national teams that immediately comes to mind.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:25 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:

White hasn't played an AFL game.....too earlly to say we found a smokie, or was even value where picked, WC passed on him for JON after he had trained with them.......but Garlett is one WH did find.
Armfield was a smokie for those that rate him.
AJ a rookie selection too.
I dont really care which state our smokies come from as long as we find them anyway.

We need to get more ruthless trading out older players when our window is shut.
Knocking back a 1st rounder for Lance the year before he was sacked a prime example.
Not much room left for sentiment anymore.


Such a bloody boring stickler/party pooper :razz: .....I've seen White play often enough to reckon he's as good a chance as anyone out there in the RD.....In my haste to reply I also could have mentioned Armfield or Garlett, either way I think the point has been made :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:34 am 
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Gilly34 wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:

White hasn't played an AFL game.....too earlly to say we found a smokie, or was even value where picked, WC passed on him for JON after he had trained with them.......but Garlett is one WH did find.
Armfield was a smokie for those that rate him.
AJ a rookie selection too.
I dont really care which state our smokies come from as long as we find them anyway.

We need to get more ruthless trading out older players when our window is shut.
Knocking back a 1st rounder for Lance the year before he was sacked a prime example.
Not much room left for sentiment anymore.


Such a bloody boring stickler/party pooper :razz: .....I've seen White play often enough to reckon he's as good a chance as anyone out there in the RD.....In my haste to reply I also could have mentioned Armfield or Garlett, either way I think the point has been made :wink:


I agree White looks a likely type and I also agree with groth that we were way to gun shy in not trading out certain players when they had better currency.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:49 am 
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Ytoojae wrote:
Haven't read many posts in here, but this is what I would personally do.

Study really hard on how teams such as the New York Yankees, Manchester United, the Los Angeles Lakers, etc, etc. package and present themselves to the mainstream audiences. Yes, AFL will never be on a global scale like those companies are but the AFL dominates Australian sport.

You think of baseball, you immediately think of the Yankees. You think of football/soccer you think of Man Utd. Basketball, the Lakers, ice hockey, the Red Wings.

After you've studied and found the secret ingredients to the recipe (they all share the same thing in common) you use those ingredients to make the Carlton Football Club the most recognizable, progressive brand in Australian sports. You make the Carlton Football Club pseunomynous (sorry my spelling is shit today, been up 3 days straight, still cant sleep) with not only the AFL but the entire country.

I swear to you the first AFL club that can successfully market itself like that will be so far ahead of the competition that it isn't even funny. Collingwood try and do it but they fail so epically because they don't realize that it has to become the mission of the club rather than something that it does when it gets an opportunity to be on television. You don't wait for an opportunity, you create the opportunities.

Carlton can do it. We have the tradition and the history to become that football club.

When I hear someone mention Australian sport, I want the Carlton Football Club to be one of the first non-national teams that immediately comes to mind.




You should send your post into the marketing department.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:56 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:

White hasn't played an AFL game.....too earlly to say we found a smokie, or was even value where picked, WC passed on him for JON after he had trained with them.......but Garlett is one WH did find.
Armfield was a smokie for those that rate him.
AJ a rookie selection too.
I dont really care which state our smokies come from as long as we find them anyway.

We need to get more ruthless trading out older players when our window is shut.
Knocking back a 1st rounder for Lance the year before he was sacked a prime example.
Not much room left for sentiment anymore.


Such a bloody boring stickler/party pooper :razz: .....I've seen White play often enough to reckon he's as good a chance as anyone out there in the RD.....In my haste to reply I also could have mentioned Armfield or Garlett, either way I think the point has been made :wink:


LOL stickler / party pooper :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ....but I know u rated White.

So far I have heard/read comments we have recruited the following in a draft lamented by all recruiters and described as having about 30 AFL quality kids

1/Lucas....should have gone higher
2/Davies....toughest HB since Glen Archer but 191cm with lots of run
3/Rohan Kerr....mecurial small fwd

Rookied

1/Cachia...should have #16 in ND not #16 in RD
2/Dare....was really a 3rd round ND quality player
3/Casboult....the next Kurt Tippet
4/White...one of 90 Andrew Mackies drafted this year
5/Donaldson....super athletic tall who someone stated they are sure he will make it.

I would tell Eddie to "Lock it in" on Lucas playing 100 games barring injury

Apart from Lucas give me 1 specific player you would back at even money to get to 100 games......I doubt even WH would take such a bet on, even if it was 50 games.

Long gone are the days when u get a game at Carlton for the Cranages, Prendegasts, Merringtons

Even if White (picked at 150 approx) is the 40th best from this draft it might not be enough to get him to 20 games.

With our 2nd pick @ 43 we got a bunch of lottery tickets after the 1st rounder. Yes there are a few prizes still to be won.

If 2 kids apart from Lucas turn out to be regulars the recruiters have done a magnificent job.....which 2 are your $ on Gilly :wink: ?

Don't get me wrong I think the recruiters did well.....but with the picks we had in a shallow/compromised draft 2 kids making it would be a par result....3 great.....4 absolutely spectacular.

So I'm just finding it a little hard to get too optimistic about pick 150 just yet :smile:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:01 pm 
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Ytoojae wrote:
Carlton can do it. We have the tradition and the history to become that football club. When I hear someone mention Australian sport, I want the Carlton Football Club to be one of the first non-national teams that immediately comes to mind.


You needn't have posted all that. What you should have said was you'd jump in your De Lorean, start up the Flux Capacitor - ensure that Laurie Kerr was cryogenically preserved and brought back to life to personally manage Carlton's marketing and public relations in perpetuity. He did it for years. Despite the upheavals off field, we were still immensely successful on it and our brand was strong thanks mainly to Laurie Kerr.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:22 am 
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After listening to Dwayne Russell's first contribution for 2010 to Sports Tonight on AW - "Has Chris Judd destroyed his reputation as a goody-two-shoes (or some similar crap)".

My decision - what calibre firearm to use?

The man obviously has a huge problem with Carlton and it is seriously affecting his ability as a broadcaster.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:08 am 
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After listening to Dwayne Russell's first contribution for 2010 to Sports Tonight on AW - "Has Chris Judd destroyed his reputation as a goody-two-shoes (or some similar crap)".

My decision - what calibre firearm to use?

The man obviously has a huge problem with Carlton and it is seriously affecting his ability as a broadcaster.

He's a Spanker. Derwayne >>Buffoon. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:09 am 
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To groth, I was as unenthusiastic about the draft as anyone.... with our list the way it is now I wouldn't put money on many blokes picked above 25 to become regular senior players..... but my post was in reply to somebody claiming we don't find any 'smokies' from SA or WA late in the draft.......from what I've seen I am disagreeing.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:21 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Ytoojae wrote:
Haven't read many posts in here, but this is what I would personally do.

Study really hard on how teams such as the New York Yankees, Manchester United, the Los Angeles Lakers, etc, etc. package and present themselves to the mainstream audiences. Yes, AFL will never be on a global scale like those companies are but the AFL dominates Australian sport.

You think of baseball, you immediately think of the Yankees. You think of football/soccer you think of Man Utd. Basketball, the Lakers, ice hockey, the Red Wings.

After you've studied and found the secret ingredients to the recipe (they all share the same thing in common) you use those ingredients to make the Carlton Football Club the most recognizable, progressive brand in Australian sports. You make the Carlton Football Club pseunomynous (sorry my spelling is shit today, been up 3 days straight, still cant sleep) with not only the AFL but the entire country.

I swear to you the first AFL club that can successfully market itself like that will be so far ahead of the competition that it isn't even funny. Collingwood try and do it but they fail so epically because they don't realize that it has to become the mission of the club rather than something that it does when it gets an opportunity to be on television. You don't wait for an opportunity, you create the opportunities.

Carlton can do it. We have the tradition and the history to become that football club.

When I hear someone mention Australian sport, I want the Carlton Football Club to be one of the first non-national teams that immediately comes to mind.



You should send your post into the marketing department.


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nope...they're too up themselves to even write you a polite rejection letter. :sad: (ok..i am a little bitter and twisted about it...)
but i agree...that is a great idea..and we should get George Kostanza in on it too. :grin:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:36 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
To groth, I was as unenthusiastic about the draft as anyone.... with our list the way it is now I wouldn't put money on many blokes picked above 25 to become regular senior players..... but my post was in reply to somebody claiming we don't find any 'smokies' from SA or WA late in the draft.......from what I've seen I am disagreeing.


I'm just saying that picking a smokie and finding one are 2 different things.

They actually have to have made it before you have found one.

Every year every club pick about 6 or 7 "smokies".....Its only the guys that make it that are worth talking about.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:23 pm 
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whatever makes you happy :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:26 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
whatever makes you happy :)


Football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:27 am 
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Reinstate Visy Park as a playing venue :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:19 pm 
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blow up the damn bunker in which we hide...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:21 pm 
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eradicate all football forums :razz:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:35 pm 
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Salsiccia wrote:
Reinstate Visy Park as a playing venue :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:


Reinstate Princes Park as a playing venue :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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