But you cant make it chug a crowny!!!

Unless you tie him up

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Hey Rafa, you inspire me!

So much so that I haven't posted for ages & now I'm doing so from overseas.

This is a truely stupid thread,even though I've only read your first post (sorry if I've misinterpreted the gist of the rest of the thread!!!)

Judd is clearly the best leader that the Blues have on offer.

But hey why not try to divert blame from the individual (Houlihan et al) to the leadership???

Judd will captain the Blues to number 17 & 18 and do so with style.

Whist he & all Blues supporters celebrate these victories I hope that you are able to climb on board the bandwagon.

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Rafalution - Take your butt down to jabroni hotel, book your self in for a weekend and think about what your saying.

Judd not captain is the stupidest thing i ever heard in my life. By him coming to the club he has taken us from bottom to the finals.

Sorry he isnt a crowd security officer and can control 40 other players on a boat cruise!!!

His leadership is primarily at training and on the field, not chubb security.

Furthermore, All your other leadership group players were on the boat, so you strip judd of captaincy and give to another player on the boat

Stupidest post in history.

Four pages of discussion and nearly 200 poll votes. Hardly a stupid thread but a great discussion point!!

89% to 11% votes.

It is a landslide.

Stupidest threat ever.

..today, a captain needs to do alot more than just 'lead by example' at training and on game day..

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Judd then daylight then daylight again. No one could seriously suggest that anyone comes close to him at Carlton. No one can be all things to all people. He has presence, he is inspirational, he leads by example, he's probably the best footballer to have played the game in the last 20 years. These qualities alone dont make a great captain, but they're certainly good enough at Carlton in 2009/2010.

However Juddy is not one of the boys, like Kernahan or Carey, who were both great players AND natural leaders. He has a life that is so far beyond the other ferals in the team that it is probably difficult for him to connect with some of them. He is naturally reserved. He is a little too cool for school.

I suspect he is in a difficult position when the bonding and drinking games start. On one hand he feels he should be seen as one of the boys and not up himself. He clearly isnt one of the boys. On the other hand he has a responsibility as captain to help these idiots pull their heads in. This was the case at West Coast as well. It wasnt just Cousins on the dias with him in 2006, it was that he had to force his way into the back of the team photo on the ground. Even after that game when all the West Coast players were embracing and celebrating Judd had to search around for someone to hug.

I was in the rooms twice before games this year, and on both occasions Nick Stevens was the one who was getting the boys up and doing the talking. Judd quietly went about his own preparation with an occasional private word with some of the youngsters.

I'm more than happy with Juddy being who he is.

Well the Captain has come out with strong words in the press yesterday including admittion of sitting back and letting it all unfold again.

Now lets see if Judd can become a leader of men instead of a token Captain.

..look, you can only lead by example, when those following are mature enough to appreciate what yer doin'.. ..obviously, too many kids aren't mature enough for this technique to work, so he's gonna have to employ a more hands-on approach from here on out.. ..or step down if he can't/won't..

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for me Chris Judd is the best option we have as captain by an absolute mile! Every club would love a big & fearful 'Jonathan Brown type' captain but there is only 1 J Brown. What Judd brings to Carlton is simply immeasurable. We have improved immensely as a side with his sheer presence, professionalism and attitude. Calls to remove the captaincy from him do not make any sense to me.

Kirk is a fantastic leader at Sydney, yet he was powerless when it came to curbing Barry Hall. Judd likewise cannot be held responsible for the actions of others. Yet he was man enough to come out and face the music and admit to a level of fault by not dealing with the situation well enough.

If the boys follow the example of Judd on and off the field we will be the most professional outfit in the AFL....second to none.

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..yes and no.. ..if he were man enough, he'd have fronted the media earlier.. ..he might have done so after the whole brownlow saga as well.. ..i hear what yer sayin' regarding Kirk and Hall, but from what we know it was only Hall.. ..if there were a few incidents involving a crew of swans, Kirk's leadership would be called into question..

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Judd's authority over the players is now increased significantly.
Now if he says to a player it's a good idea to get a taxi home or to stop drinking they know if they defy him they're asking for a real hard kick in the klakker. So hard it will probably land them out of here. Even senior players like Scotland and Houlehan.
No longer is Judd the newbie Captain ignored by a clique of senior players.
IMO the fact that Stevens was addressing players in the roooms says more about some senior players hanging on to their independence.
I haven't any info as to what goes on within the playing group so could be off the mark.

Ratts and Sticks' authority is also way stronger now.

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I agree with the authority increasing. Question I have is whether Judd thinks he has the right leadership group to work with? if not can he now stand up to Ratts and the MC and implement change?

What's been revealed now about our Leadership group is how I've always pictured it. A bunch of young guys with no other choice but to take on responsibility too early because the guys older than them act like children. Like many situations where someone has to babysit someone older than them, they freeze up when push comes to shove. When Fev or Stevo were on the rampage, I couldn't imagine them taking instructions from someone like Murph particularly seriously. I'd only really picture Waite and Simpson as the types to have the potential to sink the boot in where necessary, but even they'd get shooshed down.

As much as I love Juddy, and feel his captaincy is beyond question, I can't see him ever doing anything more than saying "Come on guys, settle down...come on...guys....seriously guys, calm down...guys". This is what happened at WC, where he was forced to lead a pack of arrogant, immature young men worshipped by those around them and given free reign by the people in charge. The same has happened at CFC, and we can only hope that this is a turning point for Juddy as a leader of men.

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Raf the way I see it is the events and the response by Sticks and Ratts has empowered Judd and they are working with Judd on this. I have no inside information.
We only very recently said good-bye to three leaders of the old school in the playing group in Fevola, Stevens and Cloke.
Was it Scotland and Whitnall who were picked up by police with Grigg in Ballarat at 4 a.m. just weeks after Grigg was drafted?
Cloke took Betts and Garlett under his wing to miss a training session late in the 2009 season.
I hope the old dogs can learn new tricks pretty quickly.

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A few years ago, when Judd was with West Coast, he gave answers to the pop quiz that features each week in the 'Record'. One question that was: "If you could spend one hour with anyone from history, who would it be?". Judd's answer wasn't one of the usual suspects such as Michael Jordan or Elle MacPherson, but was Albert Camus, a twentieth century French novelist and philosopher.

One day at training, as Judd was coming off the track, I asked him if the answer was genuine, and he said it was. I then asked which book moved him, and he responded 'The Outsider', which is the story of a man lacking emotion and not looking to satisfy the feelings of other people.

Judd is a very intelligent man, who scored very highly in his VCE (HSC), with a mark of around 98.6%. I don't think he cares much about what people think of his actions, and operates in a manner isolated from everyone else.

A football club's culture is very tribal and testosterone filled, and I don't know if Judd feels any sympathy with those sentiments. I can't recall any team mate saying what a great bloke he is, only that he is such a professional, a perfectionist and so determined.

People like Judd can change club cultures, but it needs people to relate to the individual's personality and purpose. I'm not sure this has been the case, but maybe it will be now.

Let's hope so.

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Thanks for the insight Jack.

Very interesting.

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Good insight jack.....Juddy had no right to bring any semblance of culture into the football sphere....absolutely none.

STUPID POST....should be banned

He is the best thing to happen to our footy club.......dont people remember the dark times before he CHOSE US..

Scrap this bloody post NOW

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