This argument is getting old and tired, almost as fast as me.

Denis will not lay down and play for PP's. But he does understand the FACT that we need as many low draft picks as possible to help rebuild our team.

If the team suddenly finds form and wins games, he'd be rapt, but he knows he will then have to try trading for picks, and he understands that will be difficult with the cattle we have at the moment.

Seems to me he is on a highway to a hiding whatever happens.

Short term pain = long term gain

The RIGHT decisions need to be made, regardless of whatever circumstances eventuate.

But who cares if they dont have the ball hey?

Our midfield got slaughtered yesterday. One just needs to look at the inside 50's and scoring shots to realise that

They had loose men everywhere........oh but our midfielders were there to create

You have to run both ways in this game

Simply loitering around the D50 like Campo often does is not being accountable and defensively sound as people believe. Its easy to sit back and get cheap kicks but you want midfielders who run forward and run back with equal vigour.

Has anyone ever thought that Campo gets so many tackles because he is so often second to the ball in contested situations. I do not want my major ballwinners getting 5-8 tackles a game. It is a bad sign.
Lappin is another offender, I love the guy but so often he shoots of a pissy little handball to no one because he wants to avoid body contact.

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Here's the silly thing:

BM and Synbad are actually more in agreement than they are in opposition.

We ALL want a renewed Carlton. I don't think any one of us doesn't.

Mark wants: to play the kids to give them match experience, given that the season is pretty much shot.

Synbad wants: Low picks, and a PP if possible. how do we get that? Losing matches. There are 2 ways of losing matches - play badly deliberately, known colloquially as tanking; or Playing inexerienced senior players against more experienced opposition. Synbad doesn't want the former, because what's the point of playing people in your side if they won't be around next year (traded or delisted)?

So, that means pretty much all of us, myself, Dannyboy, BlueMark, and Synbad want the younger players to get a run and get some match hardness and experience. I think the main difference is that Synbad doesn't believe they'll actually win us any matches. Only time will tell on that one.

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my goodness kk...you are not trying to inject some cool-headed commonsense into this thread are you?

Even sillier is that someone pointed this out 763 pages back...

Yep. I actually pointed this out previously in "that other thread" that has since been locked.

And IIRC, it was MrsC's comments that made me see the light in that other thread as well. Sometimes it's good to have some oestrogen amongst all the testorone!!

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Why on Earth would I want to do that? I want front-row tickets to the BM vs Synbad Jellywrestling bitchfight!

GWS...oops, I didn't realise someone had pointed that out.

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Can someone please define what "play the kids" actually means. Does this imply play only an 18 yr old or is 19-20, or 21 and 22? Does this also imply that Kouta, Lappin, French and even Fev (24 yrs) should not be played. What is the perfect mix? Who knows. Here's one that l'll put up as an example:

Age: 27-32 (5 players in the team weekly)
24-26 (4)
22-23 (6)
20-21 (5)
17-19 (2)

NB: we have many players who we classify as young who are not really young. For eg Sporn, Wiggo, Houla, Prenda, Davies are no longer young as far as l'm concerned, they are all near 23+ and have been around the traps for 4-5 years. How much more time is needed?

No need to apologize - it's not like it didn't need pointing out again...

I don't really ascribe to the view that we need to play the younger players just for the sake of it. To my mind the younger players need to earn their positions. So if they dominate the Bullants for a few weeks then give them a berth in the seniors, but not before. We want them coming into the senior side full of confidence.

I struggle to support a team that loses by 100 points frequently. They don't inspire you and they give you little confidence for the future. Give me a team that played like yesterday sprinkled with a couple of stars and I will give you a team that will win consistently.

Some people underestimate what we lost when we lost those picks in 2002 and 2003. We lost some genuine future stars of the game.

Remember though that if we get some good picks later this year then we will still only fill 3-4 positions in our team. There are still another 18 positions available and those must come from the stock that we have now. Those positions will be much easier to fill if we have players now willing to learn to get things right.

Good question Rod,

To me playing the kids means that you play your inexperienced players, but you do it in a way that develops them ie It is pointless sending out a bunch of kids to get slaughtered every week.

So you rotate them though the team. ie Give them 3 or 4 games straight no matter how bad they play, then send them back to the seconds for a rest and to work on under, less pressure what they have learned, then rotate them through again throughout the season. At all times be positive and constructive in the teaching even when they are seen to be struggling.

You do need the experienced core around them to lend support and to show them what needs to be done, but the emphasis should be on bringing the younger players into the action where ever possible.

To develop a younger player, they must be given jobs out on the ground to do. Simple at first but more complex as they develop. When they get a bit of confidence, throw a them tough job ie a tag or rotate through a key position, see how they handle it and plan the next step from there.

We have a very good bunch of young kids and with the proper handling they can form the basis of a very good side.

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L.M 35-06

Bm, what would you know about tactics you just flip flop and think Lance and Campo are champion footballers to build our next premiership around.
You said we dont need any picks.. and that we shouldnt play "swapcards" and that the team could develop...

You actually think Campo should be signed up for 400k next year.
Tell you what... i heard 'The Crab' bought himself a motorbike.. one with a sidecar. It sits in his garage cos he only likes sitting in the sidecar.
At home theres noone to drive it...
Playing under orders is he???
Well im sure Denis would want 'The Crab' to run hard when he gets the ball.Im sure the point of him jibbing in the backline would be to be an 80 meter player.. get the ball run 30 hard with it and kick it 50...
Not pass to the guy next to him run beside him get it back and then chip it to someone else and then run past him.....

Sure its about development... but you cant learn too many good habits from Lance who cant stay in shape and the Crab on skis.
In my opinion the club and the kids are better off without the pair of them...

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See Synbad if Campo doesn't do what you accuse him of then who will? You obviously don't like Campo but at least he sends the ball forward. I highly doubt that there is a rule which says "Only Campo may run past for the handball" in fact we need more players that are willing to do it otherwise the play is too static and footy would just be kicking from one contest to the next...

The fact is you need players running past and offering to take the handball...it looks soft and yes you get a lot of easy kicks out of it but in my opinion someone has to do it. The question is why more players don't do it...

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Synbad you're a harsh man mate. Reading between the lines if Campo is not following instructions, then why isn't Pagan sitting him on the pine ? Surely if Pagan wants to get a message across he gets it across loud and clear when he benchs the "So called leaders , The so called stars, the experinced players " ?

He doesn't though does he? Hence when you keep telling us all how unaccountable Campo is, and if we agree with your arguement, you are also telling us that Pagan doesn't have a strong decliplinary policy in place.

So what is it then, Pagan not taking a stance or players like Campo not following instructions?
It can't just be one way traffic all the time, blaming Campo can it ??

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Campo is a club premiership player.. a vice captain.. a former best and fairest.
He did that with a group of core players who made him look better than what he is.
Campo has a responsibilty to the young kids and the club as the VC and second best paid player to be better than Wiggo and simmo.. and Betts.. and LEAD!!!!...

Look if im sticking it right up Campo.. i would like to think no player does a Campo to us again... threatnes the club to leave to Port unless they play him a Kings Ransom .. but never be good enough to earn it.

Campo should be dropped... but we wont do it... you dont pay someone $600k+ a season and closer to $700k and have him playing in the ressies... he gets to go home early....

Nah stick him in the spotlight where i can hurl abuse at him....

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thats the easiest thing to do on the ground...
Anyone can do that.. Lappin can do it.. Houla can do it.. Kade can do it..

But you still need top be accountable.
You still need to run hard when you get it and break the lines...

Its not about the cheap stats only...
Stevo does it too.. but you still see him attacking the ball and his man...
You never see Campo get his own ball...

Were paying a guy 650kish to run past players?????Give me a break!!!

Yeah i dont like Campo.. he gives out the wrong mesage to kids in a struggling team..

Inmagine if Williams wanted the ball given to him.. or Ratten or Brown.,???Where the hell would Campo be today??
Cant do what they do???

Dont ask for that kind of money Campo... noone would ever bag you if youre collecting 200k pa.

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Go Back and watch Sundays game. Campo got a lot of his own ball and was in the middle of a lot of stoppages. And given that Campo is an 'on baller' means that the opposition tag him and often by a rotation. He may have an oppoent 'on paper' but in reality he cops whoever the opposition put on him.

But hey never ever let facts get in the way of a old rant.

PS If you are so upset with what Campo is being paid, suggest you go bail up Elliot who signed the contract in the first place.

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L.M 35-06

Synbad the club you support has Campo in its best players for 6 out of the 9 games he has played . Have they got it wrong have they

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