Well you are mistaken, and quite embarrasingly so.

Renouf played in a premiership last year and I'd take O'hailpin as an all round footballer over him any day. At least he has the ability to create a contest at ground level, which none of our other options for CHF do.

Rather him than Wiggins, Cloke, Hartlett so an emphatic yes for me

I'm one who wanted his head in a pike after 'probing the depths', but now I can see what he brings to the team and he CLEARLY values the respect of his teammates and has thus worked hard to gain it back. He adds an element of unpredictability to what is a VERY predictable side and is difficult to match up on. That goal he kicked was a perfect example.

I say yay.

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To mention those players in your post and reference them to Santy shows how ridiculous you have become and if he is that good a defender why is he not playing there now

Lap it up you have 2 maybe 3 weeks left then it's back to the Bullies - 8 to 10 possessions a wee isn't going to cut it

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Strange comment.

He was the only one capable of hitting Fev lace out.

Maybe i was watching a different game.

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Lap it up you have 2 maybe 3 weeks left then it's back to the Bullies - 8 to 10 possessions a wee isn't going to cut it[/quote]

He's only gotta score 3 goals every two games and his average is better than Fisher's. He'll stay next year despite your protestations. Why? Because he can play in more than 1 position......and the most important reason, he's actually unpredictable and that can sometimes put the opposition on edge. when you're on edge, the mind plays wonderful tricks on you. I look forward to seeing him crash packs at chf without fear, releasing Betts and co to swoop
Cloke, Fisher, Hartlett and Edwards will all be GAWN before Carlos.

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Hartlett has been improving almost every week

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Warnock is coming
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8-10 possessions and 1 goal isn't going to do it

We play a team with crap defence in two weeks

Santy is playing CHF _He should bag at least 4 goals if not more

Will you be happy with 1

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Lap it up you have 2 maybe 3 weeks left then it's back to the Bullies - 8 to 10 possessions a wee isn't going to cut it[/quote]

He's only gotta score 3 goals every two games and his average is better than Fisher's. He'll stay next year despite your protestations. Why? Because he can play in more than 1 position......and the most important reason, he's actually unpredictable and that can sometimes put the opposition on edge. when you're on edge, the mind plays wonderful tricks on you. I look forward to seeing him crash packs at chf without fear, releasing Betts and co to swoop
Cloke, Fisher, Hartlett and Edwards will all be GAWN before Carlos.[/quote]I don't include Fisher in that group because I see him as a valuable 3rd tall, preferably a FP, with outstanding aerial abilities. Not physically strong enough to be a KP player.

Can see Hartlett and Edwards gone but Setanta offers versatility as does Cloke. Setanta reminds me of a competent but lesser version of Waite being able to play forward, back, on ball. Cloke, while not necessarily in the 22, offers back-up as a forward and 4th ruck option in the 38. That's part of what depths about to have a competent player available if there's injuries, especially in a side lacking tall forward options. Not all "extras" can be young kids learning the game.

it would seem that one whipping boy is out of our side, replaced by another

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Correct, and we drafted a new one last year to step into their shoes in case they get injured too

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Setanta is improving no doubt.

He hasn't remained underdeveloped as Sydney Blue thinks.

He's really presenting at CHF. Judd and probably a couple of other team mates have clicked on that Setanta can play and it's paying dividends for Setanta and the team.

Setanta created more options than just a 10 possessions and 5 tackles in the last game. He presented a dozen more times, shepherded, bumped, tapped on and gave verbal support to his team mates...he talks out on the field; he isn't a 200cm mummy. He created enough options to have kicked 3-4 goals if he was a bit more accurate and a bit more selfish.

We are looking for multiple options and Setanta creates multiple options because he can get around.

So where is Setanta at in 2009 after the love tap in the preseason?:

Chastised by the team but has earned their respect the hard way, and he's cracked a spot in the firsts following Waite's injury. His competition for CHF is Fisher and Hartlett (Cloke's gawn)

CHF
The majority of supporters support the idea that Carlos has done well at CHF thus far and a better option than the tried Cloke, Wiggins and Fisher and Hartlett and Edwards haven't been near it.

RUCK
Setanta also dominated in the ruck in the Ants this year (whilst at present in the Ants Meese, who can't jump, is showing Cloke the way). Setanta's competition in the ruck is Cloke and Jacobs (injured too). Setanta has been called on by Ratts to have a turn in the ruck this year when Kreuzer went forward, so he could rotate with Hammer. Tasty situation. Setanta can compete in the ruck but we all know he turns into a ruck rover after the bounce.

DEFENDER
Most of us know that he would be valuable in defense with the right match up or if injury to our current backmen forced our hand. Ratts said he was missed him in defense last year as we got chewed up by ruckmen drifting forward when he was injured. Ratts has called Setanta to do some defensive work too. Austin and Hartlett would be Setanta's main rival for the tall defensive spots.

INSURANCE
WE all know both Setanta and Austin are playing because of opportunities presented with injury to Waite, Thornton, Walker and Warnock. Cloke, Wiggins, Fisher have been tried with only Fisher a chance for CHF.

Hartlett is playing well as a defender in the Ants and Austin is ahead of him there, but if he could get it together as a CHF he should be given a chance in that spot. But for now, Setanta is filling the void and Hartlett cannot be counted on.

Simple: It's Setanta's turn to show what he's got.

He may be surpassed after 2-3 weeks as Sydney suggests, but we wont know till we give him a shot at a position for 6 weeks (form permitting) and see if he can deliver on his potential as a CHF. He may just fit the role and allow Kreuzer to drift into a FP behind Fev and be our ruckman who makes their defenders short. If he is only given a 3 week stint and dropped after what he's shown then I'd say it's all over for him.

Give him a chance. A real chance like he's never had the luxury of doing. We may be surprised, excited and we fill in our biggest void since Kennedy was traded.

DELISTINGS
There's only so many you can drop at the end of the year and 3 is the minimum: IMO Garlett and Joseph are going to be promoted to the seniors so there's 2 picks they take up. Cloke is under contract till the end of 2010 (we have to carry him) and so is Johnson and Bentley. They could be 3 to delist end of 2010 in the compromised draft.

So who goes before Setanta in 2009? How many? Only the MC knows, we'd surely take at least 3 picks minimum in this year's draft, so that would be a minimum 5 delistings required.
IMO, in order it could be:

1. Edwards (for Garlett)
2. Bentick (for Joseph)
3. Wiggins
4. Hadley
5. Hartlett
6. Anderson
7. Bannister

8. Ellard
9. Pfieffer

We need a couple of rookie prospects before the compromised draft.

I would definetely consider trading to get a great CHF but I can't see any young one available(except Kennedy ) and I would like Brown, Pavlich, Bradshaw, Reiwoldt, Kozi, Ryder, Hahn....types... or even Hall for 2 years (our window?). They aren't around. Even a kid would be a punt.

We haven't got much choice but to sow our seeds and develop our own to get better. Bower and Jammo as a priority with Austin to fight it out with/ compliment Thornton in defense (unless Setanta is preferred).

At CHF we may put Kreuzer there when Warnock comes but I prefer our 3 ruckmen to get spells on the bench to keep them fast and fresh. I would have them rotating in a FP next to Fev or even as FF if Fev was ever injured.

Till Waite is back, Setanta seems to be our best choice at CHF. He's going well atm but more importantly he's improving and seems to be putting together all the bits his learned in 5 years of Aussie rules into a more rounded game.

Setanta is a freak. 200cm. Versatile. He's on the Carlton list and Carlton can re sign him before others can.

Bird in the Bush

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Terrific assessment Bondi.

Bird in the hand is nearly as good as a kick up the klakker.

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Agree with what you said about Setanta.

But why would we promote Garlett when he is still a 1st year rookie? Make him the nominated rookie next year. Bentley is also a rookie, so only taking up a rookie spot. Jacobs is one we may have to elevate as he has been on rookie list for a while now. Joseph is in his 2nd year as rookie, so he will be elevated to senior list at the end of the year.

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Setanta will be with us next year .

200cm , KPP ( either forward or defence ) , improving all the time , can take a good overhead mark , disposal A1 ( ask Fev ) , has a red-hot go everytime .

Where the hell else are we going to find another player with those credentials without it costing an arm and a leg ?

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so one bloke who is almost 2 years younger than the other is gone and the other stays

Tell me where the difference is

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/com ... d2=2004020


If anything the younger guys stats are better

so cut he crap about him presenting more I was at the Sydney game and Cloke spent all day leading and was completely ignored as well

So if Clokes efforts means he is gone

Then Setanta's efforts that mirror Clokes means he is gone aswell

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Another one competing for the same spot who is gone

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/com ... d2=2004020


Tell me but he doesn't have the X factor

In other words he doesn't @#$%&! up


Or are you going to tell me this guy doesn't try as hard

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I thought he was one of the main reasons we came back so strong in the 2nd qtr. He presented a valuable target accross CHF and even went down back in the dying stages.

LOVED his goal in the last qtr too!

Sure, he may only get 10possesions and a goal (for the year, he is averaging 12possesions & a goal) but he's not on the ground the whole time. He's getting like 70-80% game time.

At the end of the day, he may not be a superstar CHF and we might have better options, but a 200cm utility who can go forward and back plus pinch-hit in the ruck can't hurt to have on your list.

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I agree, his athleticism and versatality make a more compelling case than 'bald statistics'.

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I think a lot of us fail to grant him the necessary time required to really get up to speed in the current position at HF.
For a bloke who has needed constant coaching to even get an understanding of the game and has never been allowed to settle down in any one position, it is still way too early to criticise his last 3 games in probably one of the hardest positions on the field for a bloke not accustomed to playing there.

What I would like at the moment is for another tall to join the forward line because I think Setanta is athletic enough and capable for the second contest and at ground level to allow another tall up there. Setanta by himself doesn't reduce the pressure and double/triple teaming on Fev.

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