Yeah but i dont use them.... there is no way i would spend 3 days researching anything... and if i did .. i wouldnt use the fat bastards other clubs have to illustrate how theyre more advanced than us....

especially when we have our own fatties but decide not to use them....

thats just weird shit.......!!!

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rant rant rant...

I've always stated that we struggle against physical pressure. A comparison of weights/ages is relevant to that discussion. If you cant see that, then you've no idea. Its not about being heavy, its about being physically mature - and for the most part, an assessment of a players weight gives an indication of that.
Most ruckmen are 100+kgs
Most mids are 85+kgs
Most KP players are 95+kgs
Its not just weight, our players actually look skinnier than the opposition. When the pressure is applied, we dont have the bodies to cope atm.


If we are after 100 kilo plus blokes we can still bring in Cloke and Setanta.. or do we vecome a better side when Jacobs is in compared to Hampson.... ???

Perhaps if you wrote without ranting I might be better able to understand what you are asking. I'll give it a go anyway...

Cloke/Setanta - I dont see either of them in the medium term future of the club but would have no issues if one of them were in the 22 for the rest of the season (form, team structure permitting). Whilst youth is great we NEED mature bodies to help them develop around the older players. These comments are on the basis of them playing as FORWARDS. If you are talking about them as ruckman then I dont rate either and neither wouldnt be in the team. Cloke is too short and setanta just isnt able to compete in the ruck (also isnt that strong)

Jacobs/Hampson - Given the option I'd actually have both in the team with kreuzer in a more permanant forward role. Hampson may be more athletic but Jacobs is a much better tap ruckman. In the absence of warnock, both have a role within the team. Incidentally, Jacobs is 100kgs and physically ready-ish to compete (hence he gets a fair share of tapouts). Hampson is relying more on athleticism though is still fairly solidly built (more so than say kreuzer).

Other issues
Processes of finding a coach - yes, I do believe in a process. Given that I didnt attend any of the meetings, see any presentations, I cant really comment. From all reports though, Ratten had done what was required in terms of apprenticeship. Furthermore, his performances as a caretaker coach were promising enough to warrant giving him a gig - provided they do a reasonable job caretaker coaches will always have the inside running for the senior gig - thats not a jobs for the boys thing.

Finding the best man for the job - that assumes that you know who the best man for the job is - If you were serious about it then you would realise that there is no best man for the job. You can only appoint good people who will then proceed to put the systems in place to develop a team/list. Furthermore, if you are going by credentials then you basically rule out any untried coaches (so clubs would never have appointed worsfold, roos, clarkson, craig, knights, current flavour of the month, etc). Credentials alone can also be quite misleading - Last time we tried to do that, Pagan was appointed...

Gameplans after 37 weeks - The answer to that would be a resounding no. If we had a stable core group of players with which we could bring new players through, then perhaps. As we are now where our youngsters are expected to play key roles within the team, then no. Its only now that we are getting to the stage where we have a core group of 15 or so players that are 21+ from which we can build a team/structures around. Previously we never had that.

Should a team know how to kickout? - refer to structures. Also doesnt help that the player that we brought in to run that area has missed the past few rounds (johnson). Our kickouts also look worse than they actually are due to some fairly fundamental mistakes being made (kicking into man on the mark, having short passes intercepted etc) - these are more skill errors/brainfades rather than gameplan/structures.

Lance isnt part of this discussion though I'll stand by my previous statements that were he injury free, I would have kept him on the list. If lance didnt have issues with getting on the park, then yes I'd keep him on the list until we developed alternatives up forward. In the end, the doctors report was that his knee wouldnt hold up to a full season so I've no issue with that decision.

I'm happy to stand by pretty much all my posts in my time on these boards (here, TBV, CSC) - How many of your statements do you stand by? - What about your stances on Pagan? Collo? Smorgon? Longmuire? the dome?

Seriously, if you want to have a discussion - I'm more than happy to do so. If you are going to troll, at least make an effort...

If only the world stood still and all was just black and white there, chicken.....

People play poorly cos theyre not in a good place up top...
Gibbs doesnt kick into the man on the mark cos he jas a clear head cos he is beautifully drilled....but not fat enough...

... and Fev doesnt get the ball at half back .. run and torp it 80 meters touch but doesnt make the follow up cos hes too fat.....you do realise this dont you?
juddy isnt missing targets cos he knows whats going on around him...
armfield isnt running forward with noone to kick to cos thats what he learnt...

are u following???

Its an exercise in conditioning...

its not about how fat you are....

should we drop Eddie for Cloke?
Howaabout bring in Hartlett for Simmo... would that get our player to weight ratio up a lil bit more for ya???


Anyway i understand you spent ages researching all this... but it means jack shit...

really it does......

just think about what youre talking about...

Youresaying we should draft blokes on size and the biggest side wins the flag..

Hey the biggest loser finished........

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you bagging something doesn't mean its jack shit, just means your bagging it.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Watch your language please people.

And if you can't discuss this civilly with each other, go away.

i dont bag i observe and comment on what is dished up....

like your poems for instance....

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In other words - opinions are like but holes - everyone has one.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

I'll only address the relevant points - again if you are going to troll, at least make an effort to be creative...

Eddie for cloke - different players so not even a comparison. Betts is the fittest this season that he has ever been and that has been reflected in his performances. He is stronger and more mature.

Hartlett for simmo - again different players

Never mentioned anything about drafting on size - I've only ever spoken about physical maturity. The hawks built a side around mature bodies, as did the cats, as did the swans, as did the eagles, lions etc.

No, i think your statistics dont mean a thing... its a footy game sport...
youre discussing weights ... but why not discuss beep times.. heights... verticle jumps ... agilities.. body fat....staying power.... iqs.... muscle mass vs fat???

or just the gameplan they came into the game with....or who is drilled to do the right things?

why not compare everything when comparing teams so it means something???


see??? you thought you were onto something there didnt you???



but you wernt......

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so all those coaches who go on about the need for young bodies to develop - to add weight/strength/miles in their legs etc, they are just rambling?

its okay, we get the 'Ratts is no good thing', but surely that doesn't have to mean that every idea about football that is contrary to the 'Ratts is no good' thing has to be dismissed. An argument does not have embrace 'the all'

this kind of arguing is like the fanatical arguments against evolution - find a small thing unexplained (ie why did Ratts get the job) and use to to show all arguments must be false.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

There is more to winning and losing than a couple of kilos .

People in here thought we should win that game cos they were going in "too big" read it yourself.

But we didnt kick poorly cos we were not "too big enough"... we didnt have a forward structure "Cos we were not too big enough"... we didnt not tackle cos "we were not too bi g enough "... we did not over use the ball cos "we were not big enough" dannyboy....

underprepared... underdrilled.. and lacking in confidence before the first siren had sounded.

Some of the smallest men in AFL are the best tacklers.

Lets not continue kidding ourselves as we roll out excse after excuse... cos thats what perpetuates mediocrity!

Time to stop our obsession with navelgazing...and get serious

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Youth is not an excuse
We are a developing team
a work in progres
etc
etc
etc

Saturday'sfirst half went beyond that

I take a different view
I would drop
Thornton, Hadley, Wiggins and Russell and bring in
Elllard., o'Hailpin, Anderson and Grigg

I actually believe we need more youth because I am sick of seeing the same old shit dished out by these 4 players
Anderson comes in for Russell
Ellard for Hadley
o'Hailpin for Thornton and play him in defence
Grigg for Wiggins

I was really pleased with Stevens efforts on the weekend. Stepped it up but he needs to be monitered closely.

Youth is the answer not an excuse
The three guys mentioned are the future
o'Hailpin has been handled disgracefully by the MC.
Needs to be played in one possie CHB

Understanding what to do and not being confused by a confusing gameplan is a start.
Having a forward line structure helps.

All we do.. year after year is make excuse after excuse.. and realy its to whitewash poor coaching and preparation.

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Are you lot going to actually coach Carlton, or just talk about it?

DO SOMETHING!

- fear mongering - bit like adversaries of Darwin's theory screaming 'we are no better than apes!'

Look I worry about Ratts too, I think many of us do - spent a fair time on the phone with my brother who wanted Ratts lynched after the other day - but we need to understand that the fear is based as much upon what other clubs are doing (Essendon* for example) as any reality. We also need to see there is more than a single problem that needs to be addressed (changing coaches will not automatically fix everything). And if we need to make a decision on Ratts (*actually the club needs to at some point - or not - because they know the facts, we just have opinions and here say) I hope it is because we are able to unravel all the different strands of what is happening and judge those that he is responsible for and not things which he cannot control or which will improve.

Its why some discussions are healthy and some are rants. A discussion should be about trying to see the various things happening and sort out (subset them if you will) what to control, what to repair, what to ignore etc. To lump everything together and then just stand on the pile screaming 'Ratts is no good' will ensure mediocrity from a club more than a poor coach ever will.

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Youre not even making sense.
If it were about bodies we would play Bentley Cloke and whoever else....

Its about whether you know what to d when you go out to play.

I think thats the essence of football... unless im mistaken.....

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- the essence of football is to score more points than your opposition

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We played Adelaide away, Essendon* played a Richmond side we beat by 84 points. Essendon* have been towelled up in both their interstate games as well. Also by Sunday night we will probably be back ahead of them on the ladder.

Its all so even in 2 weeks, we might look back on track and Essendon* a rabble.

Thing is all Essendon*, Adelaide and Carlton have a lot of very inexperienced which will mean performances will be up and down.

What do you suggest >?

Youth is not an excuse for pathetic coaching.
Ratten only has a Plan A, not a Plan B or Plan C. This is why he hasn't coached a win against, Clarkson, Craig, Knights, Roos, Lyon and Thompson. Our bogey teams continue to be our bogey teams, as Ratten is unable to beat their gameplan.
With a 2-4 goal breeze against Adelaide and nobody inside our Forward 50, this is poor coaching.
Essendon* beat Hawthorn by 44 points, with 7 players having played under 15 games and another 2 players between 15 - 19 games experience. Therefore youth is not an excuse for losing, it's the coaches gameplan.
Until we can beat our bogey teams like Hawthorn, Adelaide, Essendon*, Sydney, St.Kilda and Geelong, we will not win a premiership. We will only be a middle table team at best.