The simple fact is that Stevens will NOT play beyond this year so what is the point. Russell has now played over 50 games yet has gone nowhere.

Bannister and Pfieffer have been given bugger all of a go and atleast deserve the chance to show what they can do. Then at the end of the season the club can make an INFORMED decision on all their futures.

Logical?

No. If Ratten and co need to give Banno and Pfieffer a few games to see if they have anything to offer than GOD HELP US...... surely there papaers have been stamped

Why couldn't Stevens play beyond this year. One of the better users by foot in our team. Hits Fev lace out and played a great game n the weekend

Russell has become the new whipping boy. I have seen improvement in him and is young enough to develop further...... how old is Banno???

Is it Russells fault that the club used pick 9 on him. If he was a pick 36 you'd all be singing his praises

I think Banno needs to be given a chance.

He hasn't played this year at all and was very good in the games he played last year before injury.

His papers shouldn't be stamped just yet as there is place in the side ie blocking for Judd.

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I wanna point out i wouldnt be too worried about the playing list 'deadwood' yet.
When we play the unaccountable teams that just wanna play footy... we hold our own in shoot outs and would beat most.(So we would be a great AFL park team)Tells me talent wise were at least the equals of mst teams.. and probaby way more taented than alot
Where we struggle is when we play opposition teams that are coached and have structures and gameplans that are disciplined and organised.
That suggests what area were struggling with in the AFL......

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I agree.
Time to give Banno a run in the seniors.

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Now we are getting desperate.

Yes except.....

Pfeiffer has been injured since about RD 1 or 2 and still isn't back for a few weeks yet
Banno had a late start due to injury and was just coming back well in the VFL with 2 or 3 strong games before getting a week reported.

As for Stevo I have no idea about 2010. Is he contracted?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

I agree but I am talking about the rest of the year. Banno is close to a recall and I believe his size and attitude would be a positive. I would hope Pfieffer gets a decent run in the second half of the year.

As for Stevens I understand he is contracted but if the injury is what I understand I am sure something will be worked out under the adviso of the AFLPA.

Most on here who analyse our list almost expect us to have 22 a-graders available for selection. Isn’t gonna happen. The requirement to play 22 players week in, week out means there will be some in the team who might be B or C grade, but at least have a role to play.

Other than Hawthorn, whose recruiting has been out of this world/unprecedented, there is not a team in the AFL without holes in it’s list. Even Geelong.

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What a lot of absolute tripe. I don't care if they are Pick 1 or 100. When they get on the park we judge them on there ability to play AFL football. Russell wil be a handy player at BEST. If a player doesn't start to really contribute by 50-60 games then legitimate questions need to be asked. He has been given a lot fo leeway by the MC and is yet to deliver.

Banno is 26. Needs to show something I agree but should be atleast given the same opportunities as others have.

People are talking about bringing back Fisher?? What has he ever done?? He is a tall forward who averages 1 goal a game is slow and is a poor kick. I cannot EVER remember him taking hold of a game or dominating.

It is about time people stopped making excuses and looking for little bits of ability to hang their hats on.

It is mediocrity that got us to where we are and unless we address it we will sit along side Richmond for the next 20 years.

President: Kernahan
Coach: Ratten

* Reasons that Kernahan and Ratten have to go is that:
* Kernahan makes decisions about our club based on his heart, not his head. When you run a business, you can't let romances or friendships influence what is best for the organisation. I believe Kernahan did this when Ratten was appointed coach. I believe Carlton had decided our coach was either Voss or Ratten. Once Voss pulled out of the Carlton coaches job, I believe it was negligent that Ratten was appointed without doing what Essendon* and Hawthorn did, by interviewing a few candidates and appointing the best available coach. I believe Ratten was appointed due to him being an ex-Carlton player, rather than the best available person.
* If I remember correctly I believe Pratt wanted the best available (and was pushing for Roos or Worsfold), but Kernahan recommended Ratten.

I believe our club should have re-built off-field with non-Carlton people. This would have ensured that new fresh ideas from outside the club could have re-juvenated the club. Let's not forget, Kernahan was part of the Elliott legacy, and once Elliott was kicked out, then so should his followers have been kicked out off the board.

As far as players go, I believe the following players are either; not up to AFL standard, would not get a game at Geelong,may need a fresh start at a new club, or won't be around due to retirement or delisting when we play in a Grand Final:

Russell, Bentick, Johnson, Hadley, Fisher, Setanta, Hartlett, Armfield, Cloke, Bannister, Houlihan, Wiggins, Pfeiffer, Edwards, Hill, Carrazzo, Ellard, Bentley, Fevola (Retirement), Stevens (Retirement), Scotland (Retirement).

I'm not saying we should get rid of all these players this year, but I doubt they will be around when we next play in a Grand Final (which I believe is at least 3-4 years away), as they will either retire, be traded or delist for various reasons.

True. But we have a couple of A graders. a potential couple of A graders then most aren't even close to B or C grade yet we play them. On the weekend we had 10 players with less than 5 possessions by half time. Are they B,C, or D graders.

Once again Mediocrity! If you want to be at the top you need to make hard decisions and not accept medicority. At the moment we haven't got the peopel who can do it.

Pratt actually said that if they are available they aren't the best. That is why he went to Collingwood and got Swann.

Were was Ratten? An asst to Pagan and was given the job. No one else seriously interviewed.

Absolute joke. Every other club forms committees, employs psychologists and performs a number of interviews and tests before deciding who gets the job.

Lets be serious, this is a billion dollar business and we still run it like a local pub. Still giving jobs to our mates.

Just as a matter of interest has anyone ever seen Synbad and CJ69 in the same room at the same time

Just asking.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

People sometimes agree with each other and sometimes not.. and then on other things sometimes agree with each other and sometimes not.

Im pretty sure cj69 and i dont agree on everything.. and im pretty sure you and i agree on stuff sometimes too Cazz... hmmmmmmmm maybe not..

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But you can't have it both ways with Mr Pratt. The only reason he came back to the club was because he was approached by Sticks and Big Jack. He obviuosly though enough of Sticks to put his hand up. Mr Pratt was happy to have Sticks take over from him when the ACCC came knocking so what does that tell you. Obviously if Mr Pratt was happy for Sticks to take over then your argument is flawed.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

What are you questioning?

As soon as I pull the 'once a season, dog with a bone, Synbad agenda' soap box from under you all will be good again.

I know you miss the old days at that Private school where you use to love verbally belting the Debating Team geeks about the ears like Sam Kekovich now does. Sadly this is now your outlet.................atleast the geeks a now safe.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Yeah but Pratty was a supporter and he did suffer from idolatry in the footbaall sense..
Loved his Carlton champions....


But he did have it explained to him by Swann that he couldnt go out and pay for Pavlich Judd etc to just get a transfer to Carlton like the old days....

Swann said that...

So that would suggest he didnt get the modern day game...

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Mr Pratt was smart enough to let people run areas he knwos nothing about. The issue is that Kernahan pushed for Ratten as coach without going through the correct process or identifying anyone else.

Certainly doesn't make my argument flawed actually enhances it. Even Mr Pratt made huge mistakes.

We went and got the best CEO yet we plucked an assistant with bugger all experience or background to bring a club that has been crap over the past decade back to the top.

Yet, we employ people who were at the club when it went to crap? Sometimes people are to close to see the issues.