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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:29 am 
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Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

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Cazzesman wrote:
cj69 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

Regards Cazzesman


How about getting the facts straight!!

Where did I say Johnstone was injured?

Although there is no doubt he is a second rate onballer. I would certainly put Black, Power, Rischetelli, Brennan, Adcock, even Dalzeil ahead of him. He has been average this year and was dropped not long ago. If any of the others were tagging him I would of asked the same question.

As I said, JR did a good job on him, but Johnstone is poor defensively and Russell certainly didn't hurt them in attack.

Maybe some people are right, we may be trying to pump up his value?

I'm happy just to enjoy the win! :-D


You are right that Johnstone is poor defensively. Everyone knows that but he certainly hurts teams being a front runner. He sets up goals and occasionally kicks them. Jordy stopped him doing either tonight and had him benched regularly because he had no impact.

I don't give flying fig what you think about Johnstone as an onballer in the Lions team but the fact is the MC thought he was a danger and his past 2 games against the Blues have proved it. Previously he has torn us to bits offensively. JR was given the role to shut him down and he destroyed him tonight.

Thems the facts, no matter how you, Keogh and Jarusa want to spin it.

Next week might be different but this week give credit where it is due.

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One thing we can all agree on is there will always be 'next week' for JR :P


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Credit where credit is due, JR was given a task by the MC and played it out accordingly. If he can now be taught to shut down a player and be offensive, too, his development as a player would be complete - at least in my eyes. :wink:

Pros:
- Cloke (best game for the club thus far - we may have found a spot permanently on the forward line)
- Houlihan (great return from a player that has been out for most of the year)
- JR (see start of post)
- Juddy (what a leader, what he does and they follow - great leader)
- Stevo (whilst was left to his own devices, hurt the opposition and showed leadership in the last)
- Grigg (keeps on getting better, his work around stoppages and clearances are effective and is developing nicely)
- Murphy (quiet early, but came into his own as the game wore on, that left foot goal in the last was 'diesel' like :wink: )
- Gibbs (cool, composed, workman-like, and presented all night - can't wait for another preason under his belt, will do more damage to opposition teams)
- Bower (good last quarter on Bradshaw - matched him body on body)
- Belief in the team that they can come back from any margin - cannot teach that

Cons:
- UMPIRES all round
- Lapse in the 3rd quarter

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Cazzesman wrote:
cj69 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Lets call a spade a flowering spade here and now!

If Army or Browny or Grigga had done the job on Johnstone you would have been creaming your jocks. Because JR did it you have to put up some BS front and say TJ is a 2nd rate onballer who was injured. That's the flowering pathetic bit......

Sorry guys but the anti JR foundation has to suck it up this week and cop it on the chin.

You have 1 more week to go.....may the best supporters win :wink:

Regards Cazzesman


How about getting the facts straight!!

Where did I say Johnstone was injured?

Although there is no doubt he is a second rate onballer. I would certainly put Black, Power, Rischetelli, Brennan, Adcock, even Dalzeil ahead of him. He has been average this year and was dropped not long ago. If any of the others were tagging him I would of asked the same question.

As I said, JR did a good job on him, but Johnstone is poor defensively and Russell certainly didn't hurt them in attack.

Maybe some people are right, we may be trying to pump up his value?

I'm happy just to enjoy the win! :-D


You are right that Johnstone is poor defensively. Everyone knows that but he certainly hurts teams being a front runner. He sets up goals and occasionally kicks them. Jordy stopped him doing either tonight and had him benched regularly because he had no impact.

I don't give flying fig what you think about Johnstone as an onballer in the Lions team but the fact is the MC thought he was a danger and his past 2 games against the Blues have proved it. Previously he has torn us to bits offensively. JR was given the role to shut him down and he destroyed him tonight.

Thems the facts, no matter how you, Keogh and Jarusa want to spin it.

Next week might be different but this week give credit where it is due.


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JR was lucky

in fact if you watch the tape backwards Johnstone clearly beats him to the ball every time.

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Hey Cazz, you are repeating yourself. :P


See what you have reduced me to............... :wink:

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By the way Cazzeman when Trav destroyed us early in the year who was his opponent for a while?


I have no idea but I presume you are hinting that it was JR. If that is the case then it further supports the contention that JR has continued to improve each week since that game. :wink:

I'm sure JR will thank you for pointing that out :-D

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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:

By the way Cazzeman when Trav destroyed us early in the year who was his opponent for a while?


I have no idea but I presume you are hinting that it was JR. If that is the case then it further supports the contention that JR has continued to improve each week since that game. :wink:

I'm sure JR will thank you for pointing that out :-D

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Cazz, there will be no winners when there are people who would prefer that a player fails so they claim the "credit" of spotting their lack of ability early, just like the peanut who claimed the "honour" in regards to Wiggo earlier in the year...be frustrated for others that aren't getting a go but why denigrate a fine young bloke who's giving his all for our club?

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Pros:

JR executing his MC assigned task efficiently as seen through half full glass

Cons:

MC executing JR by assigning him a task not deemed efficient as seen through glass half empty

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I just got back into Melbourne.. still half drunk\\but was good to catch up with friends and fmily,albiet for a night

Much better then the 100 point thumping of last year.

PROS: US
Marc Murphy = F yeah little champ

Anderson = Well Done, like everyone. made a clanger and ran to get it back and usually did, Then the Game saving Mark. Awww :)

Judd = dangerous in the packs

Stevens = altho kept kicking over ppls heads( he wasnt alone) at least he never gave up this week, gave and gave

Simmo = Welcome Back Mr CONTEST CONEST CONTEST

Fev you SUperstar, His off the ball work and 2nd, 3rd, 4th Efforts were outstanding FTW

JR played an awesome shutdown role up forward. Wish he could kick 1 goal a game just to nullify his few clangers. But thats fine, Like him (am I right he is the only one in the team to play like this)

CLoke IS awesome

CONS:

- My only Player con: As if i Could have one - Some one needs to Iron out the Rugby kicking out of Dennis Armfield field kicking technique... Its fine for rugby. It like he is either rushed now or has forgotten.

- Inconsistant umpiring. Even tho I thought we got the better of it.
- Lions Supporters in general.

- still drunk and lost my voice and I start a new job on Monday.

Edit: woke up from being passed out to discover I have broken my camera :( :( im sorry I was going to share.


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Jarusa wrote:
On the offensive side he had his usual game of 5 or 6 good possessions and 3 or 4 clangers.


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JR gets a lot of criticism that is over the top and frankly unfair,


It's funny that you would write that comment under the first one. :lol:

From his 63% TOG JR had just 2 clangers not the assumption of 3 or 4 with a 73% efficiency rating. 5 of his 11 possesions were contested and he also had 2 clearances.

It seems to me your criticisms were a little over the top and unfair. 8)

None of us are saying JR was best on ground, we're just pointing out that once again he had his role to play and played it successfully.

And for those who ask what was the point in tagging Johnstone? Just look at what a freed up Nick Stevens did to them.


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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
On the offensive side he had his usual game of 5 or 6 good possessions and 3 or 4 clangers.


Jarusa wrote:
JR gets a lot of criticism that is over the top and frankly unfair,


It's funny that you would write that comment under the first one. :lol:


I noticed that too.....

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clokey, houla, murphy, judd, stevo
ando's efforts late in the game 8)

CONS: 3rd quarter :x

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Pros:

Cloke

Midfield standing up after getting smashed for the second week.

Cons:

Tiresome JR non-believers.


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PRO: We won without Wiggins


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PRO: We won without Wiggins

:)

And Betts who appears to be the new forgotten man like Houla. ;)

Would have been great to have Eddie buzzing around the feet of Clokey, Fisher and Fev and snag two goals. :(


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Pros:-

BIGGEST pro of the week would be Ratten's ability to change his style in the dying stages of the game. He did what was needed (Ie-Waite up forward when other such as Pagan would have left him on Brown). I think Ratt's uses our 'fitness' and 'edurance' skills as a secret weapon. Sometimes that bites him on the ass, but he has masterminded 3 AMAZING comebacks this year that other coaches can only dream off!

Still not perfect game from Ratts, and he is still learning, but jesus, he could be our version of Sydney's "Paul Roos"

STEVENS - Made up for his mistakes. I Liked his game tonight! (And me being a non-Stevens fan is saying alot!)

JUDD - Awesome game from a player that just 18 months ago we could only Dream about!

KREUZER - 14 hitouts and 9 dissposals doesn't sound like much.......... but when you consider he was only on the ground for one half of football, well......thats pretty impressive!

FISHER - Finally kicking as good as his marking!

MURPHY - @#$%&! KERR....... we don't need him.

NON-FEVOLA-RELIANT! - The fact that we won (& Scored more than 10) with Fevola kicking just 2 goals makes Ryan2000 a very happy man.

CLOKE - Leave him at CHF. He looks comfortable.

QLD FANS - my god, there's a few of em isn't there?

FITNESS DEPT............. don't need to say anymore!


CONS's


Well, after i pump up Ratten, i'm actually gonna give him a negative as well. That 3rd qtr was easilly our worst for the year, and it was dejavu all over again. Same shit as last week, we got pushed wide, our kick-outs were terrible and we were just too scared to play through the centre. Thankfully, Ratten masterminded an awesome comeback and did what other coaches couldn't, but in 09', could we at least just try and put together 4 consistent qters????????

RUSSELL - Yeah i know, you all think i hate him,.......... and yeah, i know, he did a good job on Travis Johnston....... but jesus, he over-runs his mark, he's disposal is terrible and his turnovers are far too consistant for AFL football. Ryan Jackson is a much better tagger and has FAR SUPERIOR footy skills.

UMPS - How many @#$%&! stupid decisions have we had to bare the brunt of????????? @#$%&! sake~!

ONE TALL DEFENDER SHORT! - Waite could be the difference, but he is needed both down back AND up forward! Setanta??????? Where are you?

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Pros

Fantastic come back
Forward line options.
Ball movement.... was very good for the most part...
The enigma JR was average this week and not completely insipid...

Cons

3/4

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