If CFC can make money from it, its clearly good shit.

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why not ban mobile betting too....

there is no end to the things we can ban.

The club is trying to get revenue outside the communistic AFL society and get ridiculed for trying and no doubt would get ridiculed for not trying as well. Pokies are part of our society and will be for centuries - I say if we can make a buck from them, go right ahead. The sooner we build our revenue streams outside of the AFL the better. Don't see Hawks or Magie fans bitching! They are too engrossed in trying to win the next premiership.

'...it's pokies, it's revenue, it's the vibe, and…no that's it…it's the vibe'

I'd say most of the people who play pokies would simply switch to TAB gambling or Keno.

People who want to gamble will gamble, one way or another.

Those people who are down on their luck and merely playing pokies in the hope of making some cash - they too will find another game of chance with which to try and strike it rich.

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Massive hypocrisy in the AFL industry.
They have theme rounds to raise awareness of good causes while at the same time bleed the vulnerable dry through gambling revenue.

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We can either take money from gamblers or gamblers can give their money to someone else. I rather it coming to CFC. As long as we are taking over existing pokie locations and not creating hundreds of new machines, l dont see the problem. People are always going to gamble.

You need to think a little bit more outside the square. Might I recommend a pros and cons list? What might be some cons to a) pokies as a form of revenue for a football club? and b) dependency and over-exposure to pokies for a football club?

I really don't agree with an argument that essentially perpetuates a social problem. You could draw on a thousand similar examples, buy boots/footys/whatever from some slave kid labour country and argue that's it's happening anyway and some back up argument that these kids support their families anyway.

In "every" organisation or club, culture, that thing that kept getting raised in every thread when trading out certain players, starts with the behaviour of its leaders. Compromise your culture at this level, then you can't demand and impose some other cultural high ground on your playing list.

Also, our pokies come packaged with Bruce Mathieson, hardly a match made in heaven for us. Big mouth who feels he's bought a right to air our dirty laundry publicly...really don't like how he goes about it.

Yeah, nah.

Of course, there'd be some crossover between TAB types and pokie users, but pokies are designed to suck people in and I would counter your suggestion by saying pokies attract the vulnerable people for reasons other than hoping to win.

Watch the doco. You might learn something.

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Pokies are designed to fail.
Pokies are designed to make people addicted.
Pokies are designed to take advantage of the vulnerable.

At their core they are deceitful and only remain legal because politicians are just as hooked on the revenue and donations from the creators and owners of these terrible machines.

I'm certainly not happy for a football club, regardless of its colours, to benefit from such tainted revenue.

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I'm not saying it is a great image of a sporting club or morally right.

However, most clubs in the AFL do have pokies machines. It is a very good stream of income for sporting clubs to survive.

Hawthorn had 11million profit this year.
Carlton had a profit of 2.4 mil in 2013. Cats 1.2mil in 2013.

Hawthorn have gone from a club in dire straights and on the verge of merging with Melbourne to a power house now on field and off field. Our club has been in debt for years and probably still in debt, even with pokies.

Clubs primarily make money through memberships, gate tickets and sponsorships to run. There are smarter ways to make money out there, but until they are established, l don't think we remove pokies until we can stop the raffles at CFC. Memberships will be down the next few years as well, as 15 players this season have retired, traded or delisted. So we won't be winning many games to inspire people to buy memberships. Only takes 5-10,000 members to drop off and we are few million down and losing money with poor home ground attendances. True CFC members will continue to support like myself, but the part time supporters will disappear until we are having success again.

Whether you think Carlton should keep pokies or not, can the blues survive without pokies? At the moment, l think we would struggle without handouts from our rich supporters.

Carlton turns over about $20 million from its hotel/gaming interests, but they're only making a little over $2 million from these venues. It's not a great business model.



What are these handouts you speak of?

Can be addicted to booze, pokies etc... You can't just get rid of revenue streams either. It's a very small percentage that get addicted as well as alot who like a flutter at the club, that don't have problems and enjoy playing. Like alcohol, betting etc...you can't penalise the majority of the sake of a few. Those few will go somewhere else anyway if they're addicted. What they need is help as simply cutting pokies alone won't help them. They have to get to the root of their problem to sort it. Because some are alcoholics do you stop serving beer? They have places that can help the addicted plus clubs are now experimenting in finding ways of restricting amounts that can be used on pokies.

May I suggest you go to church instead of the football on the weekends.
I just can't image the mental scars such an aggressive, physical and sometimes malicious sport would do to individuals like yourself.

Camel, I suggest you read my signature...

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I still have the occasional punt on the pokies but I'll only play on those old-school machines - those new flashing/cartoon type ones just seem to take money a whole lot quicker. I usually stop into a country pub on the way home on Friday's and will sometimes chuck in $20 and if it wins I'm pretty happy and if not then I'll suck it up and head out the door. But I've finished golf at 11 or 12 on a Sunday and walked into this dark pokie pit at the golf club and it's full of folk just pushing pineapples through the machines on a beautiful sunny day. It's just not normal behaviour.

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