re: Teague....Teague has been played on taller opponents and while I thought Playfair was ok I didnt think he was a factor in Geelong winning so I gave Teague some marks for degree of difficulty and the amount of ball Geelongs midfield had...

Re: Collingwood being worse than us.......for all Collingwoods woes they have at least admitted they are not up to it and are playing their kids..as James Clement said they have had their chance with two GF attempts and blown it and are back to square one. Some of us are still kidding themselves we are not that bad....

I was at both games. The tigers v pies game was like a train wreak ... horrible and yet I could not look away. Actually it was worse than that, it was like watching a $#&@$% %*&( @ doorknob (for the dodgeball fans out there).

The Pies are a spoon team. We're terrible but not that bad. Fevola and Houlihan were good for a quarter. I thought Simmo did some good things, and Betts did some great thinks only to have his team mates #$%@ them up afterwards.

The Hawks (who I also saw) are twice the side we are and if the club had any self respect we'd give them the four points back. I still reckon they'll finish over us by the end of the season.