Geez some of you are naive sometimes. Do you not think that Pratt, Swann and Co have not been interviewing other candidates throughout the year. Just because you only hear Voss's name, doesn't mean we have not been speaking to others.

I have faith in this administration, and I am sure if Voss is the man they compared him to the rest of the competition and not just chosen him for the sake of it.

We are not talking about a local suburban club here and playing games. This is a multi million dollar corporation and you need to give Pratt and Swann credit.

I am sure that kernahan does not have the only say here, if that were the case Pagan would still be here.

A coach is based on special characteristics and I think Voss or McKenna would have those. Tried and Proven coaches are not necessarily safe. There is no safe in the coaching business. I think character is so important for that job.

Does anyone think that Ratten is able to make the hard decisions on Kouta, Whitnall, Lappin and drop them. I dont think so.

We need someone outside of Carlton to look through the list with a fine tooth comb instead of someone who has emotional connections to the players and club.

People dont let one emotional interview from Ratten, a past club champion who we all loved, make you think he is the man for the job.

If after talking to all, and I am sure they have and he is the right one then so be it.

Many forget that over the past few years Voss has missed plenty of football through injury i.e the broken leg. He has spent time in the box behind LM. I know that is not the be all but it is not as if he has never had any background experience in the coaches box and behind the scenes.

The crux of being a great coach revolves around having an unfailing belief in your own football beliefs and strategies. The Coach must have an ability to get the players to make the journey with him through the good and bad times. The later is the key to it all. Great teams have great leaders who will get the rest to follow them over the wall into the battle.

It is irrefutable that Voss is a great leader of men. One of the best ever seen in the AFL. As a coach he would again be a brilliant leader and I have no doubt he would mold and create other great leaders at any the club he runs.

I don't think the major issue is about whether Voss can coach. 1 man will struggle to do it alone in todays AFL no matter who he is or how good he is. It is not just Voss you want to assess it is the entire Voss team that needs to be scrutinized.

To me the main issue is, can he surround himself with the right people who will help him sell his message to the players. The assistants will be the key to whether Voss is a good coach or a great coach. They will need to pick up the slack around him and excel in the areas of player development, player fitness and tactical nous.

Whether it is Rats, Voss, McKenna or Bond, my main questions to all of them is - who is part of your team and what are they going to bring to the table.

Posters on TC have bitched and moaned adnauseum about DP's assistants because it is considered they are not up to it.

Well if any of the guys I have mentioned above surround themselves with yes men and 'would be's if they could be's' then it won't matter who is coach. The head coach puts in place his structures and game plans based on alot of the information he is supplied by his assistants. Bad info or poor intel will give bad results.

We must appoint the right package not just the right Coach.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

A brilliant and objective post. Gone are the days of the Coach doing everything and making all the calls!

Voss won't accept an assistant or reserves position unless he is knocked back by all four this season for senior coach.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Cazz, great post. It is the coaching team that is put in place rather tahn the one individual. Do have any views on whether we should keep our current assistants or not?

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I love spinach

And what deals have gone on under the table?

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Michael, read Cazz and Fevola's posts to open your eyes to how things operate. Pratt and Swann are not looney toons.

Pagan was the super coach who led us to back to back wooden spoons.

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I am quite excited by the idea of appointing Voss with experienced assitant / mentor coaches.

Stan Alves would be one bloke that I would look at as an assistant and mentor. From memory he had a successful yet unlucky coaching stint and always portrays himself well on radio -- he seems to know what he is talking about (unlike many commentators).

Not so sure about Wayne Brittain, simply because I don't think that the CFC can really reappoint somebody who was rightly or wrongly sacked for a season of mediocrity (perceived as -- terrible run with injuries in 2002). I'm unsure of the message that his reappointment will send to sponsors and supporters -- after all we're all looking towards a fresh new start in the coaching box.

Grant Thomas impresses me with his commentary and his articles about the intricacies of coaching. Yet there is just something about that bloke that crawls under my skin . . . And the dodginess of his appointment / dismissal / Butters loan / media potshots leave a sour taste in my mouth.

At the moment they are three likely 'mentor coach' people who spring to mind that could fit the mould.

Anyway, is anyone else getting excited for the upcoming senior coach appointment? The combination of a Voss & mentor coach partnership has me excited!

Well BT/JB for 3 out of 3 has Voss announced as coach sooner than later.

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Just some food for thought for those naive enough to think one must have coaching experience to be a good coach: Roy Keane, ex-Manchester United captain and very much English soccer's equivalent of Voss in that he was the inspirational captain who led by example as well as with words played under Alex Ferguson, almost unquestionably the greatest Britsh Manager of all time, bit similar to Matthews (I'm not suggesting Matthews is the greatest coach of all time but there is no no doubt he is a great coach). Upon finishing his playing career, Keane went straight into coaching Sunderland and in 3/4 of a season led them from relegation zone of the 1st division into the league winners and promotion to the premier league.

Keane has attributed much of his success to playing and learning under Ferguson and that the culture he played in at Manu has been the impetus behind his coaching. Keane is currently being hailed as an inexperienced manger yes, but also as one who has what it takes to become great due to his upbringing as a player. We know that Voss has all the boxes ticked as a player and whilst it would be a risk to have him as coach, he has all the attributes to take us to the top

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I wasn't going to go there, but I'm so glad I did

Listened to Swan on the radio today & heard him categorically rule out any interest in Sheedy & Daniher. Said that we were looking for a coach not long out of playing the game.

Also interesting to note that Swann denied discussing the coaching position with McKenna last week. Despite saying they know each other very well and sat beside each other on the trip to Brisbane last week. I like McKenna and I'm not sure on the rumoured support group for Voss. Not sure if Thomas would be a good support act however Frawley Brad Scott and Craig McCrae would be interesting.

It was also reported on the news tonight that we spoke to Sumich today.

Probably asked him what he liked in the first at Gloucester Park tonight

pretty good argument that, and pretty good example.

keane was a born leader on the pitch and he already has his team into the top flight within a few years.

like the example, good work.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Very true - take note!

Do you think Fev would have been suspended by the club with Smorgon Malouf and Williams at the helm? Fev now knows where he stands - the club is bigger than the individual.

Also do you think these same men would have told Lance to get himself fit before he can come back in the team ? Lance now knows he is on his last chance to get himself in the best shape.

Our on field situation may be the same as last year but be assured off field we now have the right people in place to make the right decision .

For what its worth I hope Voss is appointed because as Cazz said the number one guy will have the best support available.

So, are you suggesting he becomes coach at which VFL Team then ?

A good arguement, but flawed in that he did coach in a lower league.
Will however revist this come say, Christmas time this year

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I know a little secret. And i'm not sharing.

What is Leigh Mathews Status. The guy has 4 flags, in what 7 years of caoching, has to be one of the best records going around.

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14 wins next year.

Coached Collingwood from 1986-1995. 10 years just there, Brisbane from 1999-2007, another 8 seasons.

4 flags from 18 years is still impressive though

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Parkin was sacked by the club, but he came back to win us a flag. I guess the decision to sack him was vindicated though. He won twice as many premierships in his first stint at Carlton.



Oh, we appointed Jezza as coach twice as well. One flag in the first stint, nada in the second.

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