hmm theres a bit of a difference between millionaire and billionaire. I cant see Smorgan giving over a million dollars to Pagan. It wouldn't have been reprehensible to let Mitchell go. The relationship between the two was pretty unprofessional and didn't work. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Mitchell knew what the consequences of applying for senior position meant in terms of his relationship with Pagan. It wasn't his fault they backflipped, but no one forced him to apply. He was asked and did so. Anyone is replaceable if the job is not getting done.

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The Smorgon family are worth over 2 billion dollars, paying out Pagan would have been like you or I buying a pizza.

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Gourmet or Regular.

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Na Dominos

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Difference is Smorgan is a tight ass. He might have money but I didnt see him spending it.

..lookit, we all know pagan turned out to be a dud, i personally don't see where all the support for mitchel's supposed ability comes from.. ..and don't bang yer drums about the bullants making the finals the last few yrs, cos we all know they ressies were always topped up by blues players that werent good enough for afl, but too good for vfl..and it showed come finals when all those blues couldnt play.. ..simple fact is, last year they tried to oust pagan and replace him with mitchel..the coup failed..you dont keep the wannabe usurper around though.. ..thats just embarrasing..good or ill, mitchel shoulda gone last yr..that simple.. mitchel's only hope of staying next yr is if ratts gets the job..otherwise, sayonara..

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It's the "Ex-Blue" mentality that infects this site. If you once donned the Carlton Guernsey then it apparently affords you unfailing loyalty from many posters.

For mine, Mitchell had to go as soon as the board backflipped on sacking Pagan, no matter what led to him presenting for the role. Leaving him there has set the club back 12 months IMO.

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Wow, common sense. Thats a rarity in this thread.

I dont see Mitchell as a Carlton son btw. Chased the bucks to Collingwood then got the flick to Carlton. Being friends with Sticks and Gleeson doesnt make you a favourite son in my book.

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This is a truly buzzaaaahrrree thread

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There's so much I could say...

Does that mean that Mitchell will bring Ricky Mott as ruck coach for us next year?

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QFT

This by itself marks Pagan as unemployable in my eyes.

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So Mitchell should have declined to apply? WTF?

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Of course he should have applied. No doubt Sticks told him the job was his, or at the very least that Pagan was gone.

IMHO - once the board flip flopped, they had to sack him. Put yourself in Pagan's shoes - someone has had a crack at your job -while you are still in it - and got turned down. Would you be happy to keep working with them? I certainly wouldn't. The 'good of the club' B/S doesn't cut it either. People are human, they have egos. The board stuffed up the situation completely - they should have had the plums to sack Pagan when they wanted to, and they certainly should have sacked Mitchell once they went back the other way. The entire affair was a disgrace.

What Punter 22 said. Like him or hate him, Pagan would have felt totally undermined and I don't blame him. Who's the Coach? He was, Barry was just an assistant. I don't dislike Barry, it was a crap deal what happened to him and he should have moved elsewhere. I care about the players development and the head coach trying to win games in the AFL. I find it hard to believe the relationship b/n DP and BM would have been very good for this.
A better system seems to be in place where the best people for the job are being recruited. Time will tell if Mitchell is the best man to be reserves coach, he certainly wont be Coach of the seniors any time soon.
Anyway Pagans gone.... Don't know what a new coach next year will mean for Barry.

Damn, thats a sh!t load of pizzas.

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Chris Judd: 'I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and realise pressure points are no laughing matter.'

Mitchell applied for the job because he was invited to.
There were plenty of people who conspired against Pagan.
Kernahan, Smorgon. Gleeson..and probably several board members.

I cant blame Pagan for being upset.

Why then is he happy to stand by his principles with Mitchell yet still work happily with the others?
If he was fair dinkum, he'd refuse to work with all the people who undermined him.

I'd suggest 600k+ per year bought a lot of principle.
Lets not pretend this was anything other than a childish charade which hurt no one but the club and players.

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He should have been firmly out the door before Mitchell was even spoken to. I can't blame him for being seriously annoyed at being shafted so blatantly, and I could understand him deciding at that time that he'd sit back and take the $$$ for as long as he could. I would hate the fact it was happening at my club, but I could understand him getting to that point.

Who says he was happy to work with the others?

Mitchell was and is, an underling.

The others were Board Members and President of the club.

The whole chapter needs to be thrown in the trash and so should all the players involved.

Smorgon - Gone
Denis - Gone
Sticks - ?
Gleason - ?
Mitchell - ?

Get rid of the last 3 and we can all really say that there are Blue Skies ahead rather than the dark clouds that these guys have brought to our club with their mateship.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

I could live with that... You can't tell me Mitchell is irreplaceable, and the others have been party to too many stuff ups.

I don't believe that Mitchell wasn't involved in the conspiracy with Fraser Brown, Adrain gleeson and whoever else. They surely wouldnt have planned for weeks, raised $1.5mil to pay out Pagan without asking Mitchell if he agreed.
Gleeson as a director was the most culpable and should have resigned.
Mitchell ahd every right to go after pagan's job. There was no vacancy however. He was counting on Pagan being sacked. How the @#$%&! did he then expect Pagan to trust him and work with him. Mitchell had to resign to maintain the honour and dignity of himself and the club. He didnt because those concepts don't mean much to him

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NEWS ALERT:

Pagan is GONE! Problem Solved!

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides