Collingwood played dead at the end of 2005 and lost their last 9 matches. The reward was Thomas and Pendlebury. Pick 2 & 5 in the draft.
If those smartarses can do it why shouldn't we.

We are in a dilemma.

Oh, and we did it the year before and got 1 & 4.

Why not do it again this year? 3rd time lucky.

Collingwood on the other hand do it once and are the model we should be following.

They are top four having done it once and we are bottom four having done it three times.

"It's a sad sad situation" said Reggie Dwight.

We did it last year and we got 1 & 17.

Speaking of Collingwood, they had a graphic during the St Kilda game saying they had played 8 debutants this year. I haven't bothered to check if that's true, but if it is that's HUGE consideringthey are sitting 4th with a dinosaur as their coach.

BUT...it then said they are ranked No1 in the league, I assume statistically.

Collingwood on the other hand do it once and are the model we should be following.

They are top four having done it once and we are bottom four having done it three times.

"It's a sad sad situation" said Reggie Dwight.

IMO, the systematic development of the players we’ve got NOW is the top priority and ranks above the ‘tank’ issue.
Watching Wayne Carey on channel 9 last night mockingly state that Melbourne has a better long term list than Carlton really frustrated me because glib & uninformed views such as his affects the morale of lot of Carlton supporters who are less informed than most of us here on TC.

With thanks to the Mr. Pratt and the CFC Board we now have the offield financial status of the club in a healthy position.
This now is allowing us to put in place a modern day professional player development team.
I believe we have the basic raw structure of an elite playing list and no matter where we finish down the ladder this year we will shortly add at least one more top 5 draft talent.

With professional systematic personal development, the likes of…
Russell, Bentick, Blackwell, Carrazzo, Jackson, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs (running mechanics, disposal technique & offensive strategies)
Hartlett, Kennedy, O’hAilpin, Austin, Waite, Edwards (strength , agility, disposal technique and tactical strategies)
A.O’hAilpin, Hampson, Jacobs (Rucking contest techniques & offensive strategies)
Austin, O’hAilpin, Waite, Hartlett, Bower, Anderson, Thornton, Grigg, Raso, Benjamin (defensive teamwork strategies, link up rebounding offensive strategies)
…will all markedly improve I have no doubt.

We have absolute raw talent, all with huge upside, basically running around with not much of an idea of how and what it takes to be successfull at AFL level IMO.
We have or are about to employ a real development team.
All we need is a newly formed fresh young coaching panel that has a positive personal development philosophy that meshes together to form a collective team orientated spirit to reach the ultimate goal …the 17th.

So basically, out with Pagan immediately, bring in the new Senior Coach and his team together with the new development team and get to work on our young players ASAP.
If that brings wins in the short term so be it, if it doesn’t so be it.

Top post. Thinking deaper that the one dimensional "get ONE extra pick at the top and be a force for 10 years". What a ridiculous thread title.

I agree with Don, Verbs, etc. Play the kids in the right positions, with the support of the right senior players to aid their development (which means no more game time for Saddo, Ackland, etc) and if we win, we win. If we lose 8 more, we lose 8 more. So be it. And if we need to rest players with niggling injuries or get those to surgery that need it, I would do it without question. Have them right for next year. Don't play Gibbs this week if there is any chance of his ankle being damaged further.

Last week Collingwood had 4 players in their team who had debuted in 2007.

Carlton also had 4 players in its team who had debuted in 2007.

Check out the leadership group to see the difference in the sides.

It looks like the AFL is set to shaft the club again - Just when they have come to terms with the whole tanking theory and using the draft to build a list - It looks like the free agency is going to come into place and all the players we have been developing for 4 or so years will be free to go where ever they want .

Watch this space could be interesting

i will never support deliberate attempts at losing

if we get the picks, the so be it, if we win more games, so be it

but the day i accept trying to lose as something remotely acceptable, is the day i no longer follow the club or the game.