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Why would you say that jonc? On the one hand we have a group of 5 who dont believe that we are being very well led, who try to force the hand for the benefit of the Club and apparently failed.

On the other hand we have another group of 5 who honestly believe that they can fix the Club's problems, have largely been part of what they consider to be a solution for the past few years and most probably dont want to hand over the reins for pride purposes or think the positive horizon is approaching.

Personally I dont see any shame in having a crack and walking when you know you dont have any solutions more to give. But a divided Board so equally will force the hand one way or the other.

The disappointing thing is the possibility that this won't be put to a vote immediately. If this can meander on then vital initiatives may be delayed. I know for a fact that one Director (on the Status Quo) has rolled an idea I had something to do with which I think is a cracker and would have been extremely useful for the Blues right now.

The situation requires a vote for resolution now; not more plotting. The only other way I can see that happening is if Kernahan switches sides, in which case Smorgon's team will know they will never get the votes. As much as posters in here question kernahan's role he remains a massive role model to the common voter and an extremely powerful political figure, regardless of how he wields (or wielded) that power.


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another board meeting vote thriller
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Getting mixed messages from all angles- CAN SOMEBODY TAKE CONTROL OF THIS PLACE?


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Where in the hell is the club's honorary dentist when you need him???

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We empower these people to make decisions for the benefit of our club. I can only base my statement on hearsay but the indecision is extroadinary. Who would ever work for a board that can't make a decision, a board who go over the same ground each month without addressing the issues. I do not have confidence in anything this board does now. Whether they are on the NEW or OLD side, i don't care, they are all responsible for input to meetings that only further deepen issues and bury our once proud name.

Quality operators address issues, bang, bang, bang and move forward. We constantly go over the same topic on a monthly basis.

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We empower these people to make decisions for the benefit of our club. I can only base my statement on hearsay but the indecision is extroadinary. Who would ever work for a board that can't make a decision, a board who go over the same ground each month without addressing the issues. I do not have confidence in anything this board does now. Whether they are on the NEW or OLD side, i don't care, they are all responsible for input to meeting that only further deepen issues and bury our once proud name.

Quality operators address issues, bang, bang, bang and move forward. We constantly go over the same topic on a monthly basis.


Yes, but that's what they all think they're doing. It's not like one of them is an evil Emperor that is trying to destroy the Club. They all think they're there for a good cause and are putting heaps of time in - the problem is the Board is divided and they're going into different directions. Its a hung parliament with the President having a casting vote and with two sides dissension will result.

They would each disagree as to who is a quality operator.

Democracy has to decide. Or some good old blunt politics. There must have been some $ attached somewhere here; surely the Smorgon side can see the benefit of that?


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The problem is theyre selfish.

Anyone who will knock back stepping down for alot of home money to come in and at the same time support the club via AFL benefits as we go further and further behind .. does not have the clubs best interests at heart.

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But im sure there will be something in the paper that will sound good tomorrow...


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We empower these people to make decisions for the benefit of our club. I can only base my statement on hearsay but the indecision is extroadinary. Who would ever work for a board that can't make a decision, a board who go over the same ground each month without addressing the issues. I do not have confidence in anything this board does now. Whether they are on the NEW or OLD side, i don't care, they are all responsible for input to meeting that only further deepen issues and bury our once proud name.

Quality operators address issues, bang, bang, bang and move forward. We constantly go over the same topic on a monthly basis.


Yes, but that's what they all think they're doing. It's not like one of them is an evil Emperor that is trying to destroy the Club. They all think they're there for a good cause and are putting heaps of time in - the problem is the Board is divided and they're going into different directions. Its a hung parliament with the President having a casting vote and with two sides dissension will result.

They would each disagree as to who is a quality operator.

Democracy has to decide. Or some good old blunt politics. There must have been some $ attached somewhere here; surely the Smorgon side can see the benefit of that?


I know they all have good intentions, but those good intentions have again ripped the club in two. The good intentions have caused more conflict and damage to our brand (or will when the media gets a hold), Smorgon will go to the press again painting the rosy picture, the other side will be painted poorly and yet who knows what went on, who is involved.

If the plan was that well organised and detailed as has been drilled into us this month how can Smorgon still be around? Smorgon must know from the AFL review that he is not a quality operator, he must know from all the media publicity laughing at him and our board that he is not the quality operator.

I've had enough.

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I dont think Smorgon does know that, or even think it. Has he failed at anything in his life? Would he know what it felt like or what it looked like?


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I dont think Smorgon does know that, or even think it. Has he failed at anything in his life? Would he know what it felt like or what it looked like?

He should know... hes swimming in it...
..GS prpbably thinks this is a victory... id be looking at the state of the club..

PS A vote as close as this does not make him safe... i can assure you.

he just survived another night .. when tey should have been turning the club around.. theyre talking shit.. again!!!

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ANOTHER major letdown ... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

But it's not over yet ...

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Do we know who makes up the 5/5 split?

Who is with who????


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He should...but my point is I don't think he does. He has been brought up with success and probably thinks it will all turn in time.

What he should see is that we're going backwards - that 2006 was a write-off in far too many ways and any initiatives he has tried or considered are not keeping pace. Indeeed we're treading water at best. Any offer for substantial cash support should be accepted insofar as the conditions are acceptable. Falling on your sword as a leader in the face of a kind offer would be viewed positively. The condition should be acceptable.


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Keep the status quo
Smorgon * power vote
Sticks (major moron)
Gleeson (see above)
Wilson
Rose



Against... the rest ...

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Blue4ever wrote:
Do we know who makes up the 5/5 split?

Who is with who????


That No. 5 keeps coming up ... :wink:

But I don't feel like smiling. When is something going to go our way. :cry:

The disappointments off the field since the end of the season have mirrored our performances on the field.

Thank god for the draft this weekend.

A lot will hinge on how this is portrayed in the media tomorrow. More headlines of a club in disarray, board at war etc will add to the pressure on GS and his mates. And, as bizarre - and sad - as it sounds for supporters of the club wanting change, that is what we need to see.

And how sad is that???? That's what it has come down to. Things may have to get very dirty, because GS and Co. won't be going easily.

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Surely 'the rest' shouldn't have instigated any action this evening without the numbers required to definitively settle it there and then? Did this group not understand that Smorgon's vote is effectively worth two? Baffling on all fronts, really, and acutely embarrassing for all concerned.

Just further blatant proof that we need a complete spill - moronic actions from both sides tonight, and the club's future doesn't sit comfortably at the feet of any of them.

Where are these other invisible faces? Time to stand up and go public, surely. This simply can't simmer until March.


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Ruckus,

It might be that they know that they can't win, but want to highlight to the media that half of the board have no confidence in the Smorgon and Malouf.

This might be a political tactic to try and oust them.


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steve wrote:
It might be that they know that they can't win, but want to highlight to the media that half of the board have no confidence in the Smorgon and Malouf.

This might be a political tactic to try and oust them.


Good point, and I admit that I'm most probably not at my most rational on this issue right now. If applying pressure to Smorgon via the media is the best that the opposition can offer, though, it doesn't fill me with great confidence.

Surely some forthright ideas presented to the public by the spokesman of a fresh, united group is now the way to inform the public of the current board's shortcomings?


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If we are lucky that's the next step and this was just the opening salvo to soften the ordinary supporters up :)


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