That's funny. A second round pick. How hit and miss is the draft, especially by the second round, and you want to exchange a class player for him

Stevens is the easiest player to blanket in any midfield in the AFL.

I reckon Murphy already gets more attention than Stevens.

A top notch midfielder can shrug a tag and be potent.Stevens cant and never will.

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Agreed, so Stevens then becomes more important as he should find life easier with the second best cover player from the opposition. If Bentick, Simmo, Carrazzo, and Walker would do more damage when finishing we'd have that luxury. Until then we still need him to relieve the strees on the younger blokes.

When Walker can run the ball 40 metres then deliver a pass another 40m to Fev and hit him on the chest we can think about how much Stevo's worth.

We need Simmo to kick more goals like his 1 on the run and Bentick to keep doing consistantly what he did on the weekend before we even dream of trading Stevo.

I must admit, I've done a complete 180 on this issue.

Pretty much!

Oh...

And we also need the bnackline to not let the other team kick more goals than us.

And Fev needs to kick 6 each week and Fish has to wear body armour.

While we are at it...wouldnt it be nice if Deluca had an "Adam's apple" reduction surgery.

That thing must get heavy.

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It's not that simple.

The 2nd round of the draft is as speculative as trying to guess when our side will be 'good enough' again to afford Stevens the luxury many think he needs - that of not getting the best tagger every weekâ„¢.

Good player in a good side - fair enough, I don't necessarily disagree with that. We're not a good side though, and can we afford to have him waiting around in the wings while we rely on others to make us that good side?

We need players that can make changes happen and benefit from the changes when they do happen.

Not players that rely exclusively on the level of players around them.

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Should Adelaide have traded Roo? Or what about the Aints, should they have axed Harvey?? What about Chris Grant?

You need experience to add that extra bit of quality to a young side. If we trade Stevo we'll have absolutely nothing to fall back on like the doggies did last week. We'll get plenty of good picks with JK, Murph, Russell etc what we need is experience in 200+ gamers which EVERY quality Premiership side has. If we trade him, you'll extend the pain by another 2-3 years.

Has the Dawks system got them anywhere?? Or the Tiggers?? I still beleive we're closer to a flag than both these teams .

I'd trade him for either a 1st round pick (Doubtfull, maybe the Pies 1st pick or Essendons PP) or two 2nd rounders.

Otherwise, keep him.

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Some of the stuff in this thread is astonishing.

Most clubs get draft picks and hope they become good players.
At Carlton, we get good players and hope they become draft picks.

We have a player who is top 20 in the AFL for total disposals, total first possessions, total uncontested possessions, disposals per game, total kicks, total clearances and kicks per game.

Apparently he is a reciever yet he leads Carlton for first possessions and is second to Heath Scotland for clearances (by one clearance)
He is 3rd for tackles and averages more 1%ers than Scotland, Walker, Carrazzo and Wiggins.

If you want to trade him, come up with some good reasons. Some of the stuff here is ill informed, blinkered nonsense.


(Yes Bluehammer, I'm talking to you!)

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And 3rd for hard ball gets (behind a couple of other 'receivers'- Houlihan & Scotland).

Alright.

I'll keep him.

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I agree he should not be traded. The same people that are saying trade Stevens now are probably the same ones that said Fevola should be traded last year. Stevo is the whipping boy for 2006.
My crystal ball says that it will be Waite next year.

I appreciate the frustration we're all going through but we're looking in the wrong spot. We have a number of weak spots in our team and we're short of natural playmakers in the middle with skill and class. We're at least 4-6 players away from being competitive, and on a list basis, we're about 10 players away from having a truly workable list with:

* options across all lines, including the ruck
* a good spread of mature trusted and strong players

Until we get our list cleaned out, true competition for all places and our ton picks of the last 3 years first choice players in our starting 22, we wont be good enough. That's where just about every other Club is, other than Essendon*.

That's where we need to get to.

Stevens is a key player played out of position. When we can release him to the wing he and we'll be better for it. He'll also be cheaper then as he'll be older and a bit crumpled due to our past hacked-ness.

KEEP.

How about a possible scenario of stevens for goddard?

It could proceed via the following...
1. Goddard is out of contract - we offer over the top on a heavily front loaded for goddard and he say he wants to be traded (average 350-400k @ say 500k, 400k, 300k).
2. We refuse to trade early picks and thus offer stevens and offer to pay part salary (say 100-150k).
3. Saint accept the deal as it saves them cap room next year (to re-sign other players). We end up paying effectively 600-650k next yr for effectively goddard (able to do so through kouta's saved salary)


Would such a scenario be more enticing than say a straight swap for picks 10-13 via collingwood/saints?

We can.....he's been 2nd in our B & F in both his years here making him better than most players in our club at the moment. With our youngsters still developing we can't afford to be getting rid of players of that ilk as young players need good seniors footballers around them to develop (they need a good coach too but that's another story). Over the last couple of years people wanted to get rid of Fev, Lance, now Stevens. In regards to the former 2, gee aren't we glad we didn't lose them (that's football supporters for you and why they're on internet forum boards and no-where else). It'll be the same for Stevens to. A team full of kids without leaders would be a disaster and set us back further. We get thrashed enough as it is. Not to mention the little thing of him being under contract, one worth $500,000 per year. I think we've paid our players enough to play at other clubs over the last few years. The problems is many think with their emotions and not their brains.

Agree with Rhys

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got no great interest in Goddard. Plays loose, no opponent, soft , gets easy kicks, although they're good ones. Need another player like that like a hole in the head. We did better in the end getting Simmo that year, who we probably wouldn't have picked up under normal circumstances as we may have gone down a differenmt path. I'd bet, the way we set up, Goddard would miss targets badly too like everyone else in the team. Then being the true football supporters as we are Goddard would get bagged unmercifully as well. He was alot more ineffective on Saturday when Essendon* manned him up.

Can't believe people don't rate Goddard

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Tell them we'll take Goddard and their first round pick.

Or, Goddard for Livo.

Goddard's dead ordinary.

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