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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:19 pm 
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This is irrelevant navel gazing...funny that people are interested...
They can sack him and replace him with laidley it doesn't matter.
Mark roll the dice let the players in on a secret... They're not laying for anything and they're all up for trade..
They're not really loved by the club.
Sos told him they're all rubbish

So MLG announced a rebuild at the end of round 2 our 2nd loss for the year and the team falls apart, not forgetting we lost the first 2.
They finished playing August last year and spent 7 m9nths working on how to execute Micks plan. And all that needs to happen is MLG say we are rebuilding and the whole thing falls apart.
Seem a bit sensitive this lot.
Me thinks MLG comments had stuff all to do with it and what they practiced for 7 months is more the problem

Yes we lost the first two. Was only two... Twenty to go.
Find me a club that was talking finals and after two rounds announced a total rebuild. Plus info that everybody was up for trade....
Moody ludicrous mismanagement I have ever heard of

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 8:26 pm 
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Good on you Sellers. :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 8:35 pm 
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I agree with Synbad. 'Stupid' statement after just round 2.
Problem is we never learn. :banghead:


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:13 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
This is irrelevant navel gazing...funny that people are interested...
They can sack him and replace him with laidley it doesn't matter.
Mark roll the dice let the players in on a secret... They're not laying for anything and they're all up for trade..
They're not really loved by the club.
Sos told him they're all rubbish

So MLG announced a rebuild at the end of round 2 our 2nd loss for the year and the team falls apart, not forgetting we lost the first 2.
They finished playing August last year and spent 7 m9nths working on how to execute Micks plan. And all that needs to happen is MLG say we are rebuilding and the whole thing falls apart.
Seem a bit sensitive this lot.
Me thinks MLG comments had stuff all to do with it and what they practiced for 7 months is more the problem

Yes we lost the first two. Was only two... Twenty to go.
Find me a club that was talking finals and after two rounds announced a total rebuild. Plus info that everybody was up for trade....
Moody ludicrous mismanagement I have ever heard of



Yup.

I was dumbfounded when i read that. I remember thinking at the time how stupid we were at pretty much writing off our entire season 2 rounds in. Who the hell is gonna turn up now?


Dumb Dumb Dumb!

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:54 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
This is irrelevant navel gazing...funny that people are interested...
They can sack him and replace him with laidley it doesn't matter.
Mark roll the dice let the players in on a secret... They're not laying for anything and they're all up for trade..
They're not really loved by the club.
Sos told him they're all rubbish

So MLG announced a rebuild at the end of round 2 our 2nd loss for the year and the team falls apart, not forgetting we lost the first 2.
They finished playing August last year and spent 7 m9nths working on how to execute Micks plan. And all that needs to happen is MLG say we are rebuilding and the whole thing falls apart.
Seem a bit sensitive this lot.
Me thinks MLG comments had stuff all to do with it and what they practiced for 7 months is more the problem

Yes we lost the first two. Was only two... Twenty to go.
Find me a club that was talking finals and after two rounds announced a total rebuild. Plus info that everybody was up for trade....
Moody ludicrous mismanagement I have ever heard of

The way we played in tge first 2 games is no different from the next 5. And regardless of MLG statement the results would have been the same.
Players aren't that thin skinned that if someone says boo they fall to pieces.
This is what they have been practicing and what they have been drilled to do.
If coaching not statements that has seen the demise of the team

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 3:47 am 
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But you cannot be sure that it would be the same..
He put a line through them in round two
it's known they're all up for trade even though to sign players like Gibbs, who asked the club for their plan into the future... They were given different assurances.
Give us one example of exactly that kind of tactic in the history of AFL football or any sport.
Sorry Syd, you're making things up again.
I cannot find one example of such a thing in the history of sport.
Nobody in sport talks about itself in 66 games time from now and doesn't give a specific target on what happens in 66 games from now... In round 2 after talking differently before round 2.
One of the craziest things ever!

Coaches and players are in self preservation mode.... What happens in that situation is everybody is playing paralysed.


But good try! ...

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:09 am 
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1 and 6, how long before we can start to judge mickys effectiveness to the improvement of our list and team
Three years or half way through this year was it?
Not long to go know
Whatever happens he will leave our club in a better state than before, proven track record :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:42 am 
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Yeah the task was too big for him.
Ultimately when he leaves he will run out of here and block this place from his memory... Just like so many coaches players football managers etc over the pasy fifteen years.
When he does think about it he will burst out laughing and go and watch ' fat , sick and nearly dead '
He will slam that door shut behind him and phew... Horrified at what's inside the house of horrors... After making it out alive he will remember Eddie's warnings about his health..
Eddie knew what he was talking about... He will pause for a moment his back and hands making sure the door is secured closed. Go home.. Take his clothes off their them in the laundry think better of it and throw them into his fireplace and step into the shower..
One thing is for sure.. He won't be the last coach to do that. After coming to the club of horrors.. You can bet you're bottom dollar.. Or his bottom dollar..

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:53 am 
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Synbad wrote:
But you cannot be sure that it would be the same..
He put a line through them in round two
it's known they're all up for trade even though to sign players like Gibbs, who asked the club for their plan into the future... They were given different assurances.
Give us one example of exactly that kind of tactic in the history of AFL football or any sport.
Sorry Syd, you're making things up again.
I cannot find one example of such a thing in the history of sport.
Nobody in sport talks about itself in 66 games time from now and doesn't give a specific target on what happens in 66 games from now... In round 2 after talking differently before round 2.
One of the craziest things ever!

Coaches and players are in self preservation mode.... What happens in that situation is everybody is playing paralysed.


But good try! ...

Every waking moment a player is copping criticism when the team is going bad. They get it in the neck from everywhere.
Its part and parcel of the job.
There is volumes of band width taken up on how player x should be traded player y should be delisted etc etc.
The president coming out saying we are rebuilding and everyone is up for trade would have had minimal impact on them

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:20 am 
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But give mea precedent.
Where two weeks earlier the club is talking up and after less than one tenth of a season he's talking about don't worry about the next three years...

Can you give me one?

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:23 am 
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Syd give be an example of it.. I'll tell you why you can't..
Because that's not what sport is about.
Competition is where athletes size themselves up against others. They're never told from above don't worry about it ( the next three years )after given assurances they're going places...

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:39 am 
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Why would Malthouse walk if he has a termination payment clause in his contract?

And we can't afford to pay that because we are broke.

It is two gun slingers facing each other both knowing that neither will draw.

He's here till October.


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:46 am 
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Talk of Malthouse walking is laughable.

Has any AFL coach ever actually walked before? Let alone one as stubborn as Mick.

And if Malthouse did walk that would say more about our board than it does about him.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:49 am 
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Malthouses contract works ensure he's paid out anyway.
But he's didn't forge a career running.
They can sack him anytime and no he wouldn't lose any money from his contact...
People stupidly believe that the club is waiting for him to quit.
Just as it did with Rogers after the big squeeze was put in place..
Malthouse isn't Rogers .. If you saw him play you wouldn't call him delicate.
The truth is the club has been axing a few people from all kinds of departments.
They probably know Mick is dead but really don't want to see him go yet...
The club looks very bad as an organisation already..
They might sack Mick if things become unbearable over untenable.. But they also know the problem isn't Mick alone thought now and things won't improve so there is little point.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:51 am 
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The club of horrors is exposing itself in public..
Sacking Mick might make some people feel better but the media fallout will turn him into a martyr and themselves bigger fools than they look like now.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:14 am 
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Synbad wrote:
The club of horrors is exposing itself in public..
Sacking Mick might make some people feel better but the media fallout will turn him into a martyr and themselves bigger fools than they look like now.

Hey synners
I guess this is the catastrophe we had to have
However if the board refuse to reflect on themselves or stand down.
Then it may well be all for naught.
Any news on a spill yet?

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Syd give be an example of it.. I'll tell you why you can't..
Because that's not what sport is about.
Competition is where athletes size themselves up against others. They're never told from above don't worry about it ( the next three years )after given assurances they're going places...

AFL clubs and sporting clubs of nearly all codes know where they are at. Stkilda has openly said they are building for the future as has Lions GWS and Gold coast .
It happens all the time.
Our results this year are not because of one comment by the President they are a culmination of poor coaching and poor list management.
Malthouse continually says we know where the list is at and we don't have the quality to compete.
You are clutching at straws again with your continued gripe about certain members of the board.
The board made a mistake in appointing Malthouse which they should be accountable for .
Coaching game style list management and player development is the reason we are so bad not because of who sits on the board.
They appointed the wrong bloke and the wrong team of staff.
This they are responsible for.

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Neroli Meadows ‏@Neroli_M_FOX 36s37 seconds ago

Very interesting from Malthouse- says the public use of term rebuild "is a big hurdle to overcome, a burden" for some players @FOXSportsNews

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Neroli Meadows ‏@Neroli_M_FOX 36s37 seconds ago

Very interesting from Malthouse- says the public use of term rebuild "is a big hurdle to overcome, a burden" for some players @FOXSportsNews


He is a piece of work.

He goes on to say some players are thinking "hey if we are in a rebuild, why did you bring me in here"

Michael "It's Never My Fault" Malthouse.

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Mick Malthouse speaks to the media for the first time since bad loss to GWS Giants

Good morning Herald Sun footy lovers. Reporter Paul Anderson here at Ikon Park to bring you live coverage of Mick Malthouse's press conference in the lead up to tomorrow night's crucial clash against the Cats. A large media group is gathering. Grey clouds hang over Carlton HQ at the moment, in both a figurative and literal sense. It's a gloomy day out here and gloomy times for this proud club. Let's see what Mick brings to the table for us today. We're due to start in about 5 minutes.

Good progression from Matt Kreuzer. He's a natural endurance animal. You can't allow ladder position to impact on someone's health, Mick says. Won't play if not right.

The record against the Cats is the record, says Mick. "What do you want me to say?" We haven't looked at the past 13 games against them, Mick says. It's only relevant if we had the same 22, and we don't. "What we do is go back over the last four weeks."

Re: stocks. We thought we had a really solid list of backline players but Jamieson is out, Mick says. Yarran suspended. Others injured. The side you might want cannot always run out.

"We are devoid of confidence," Mick declares. Talk of rebuilding phase has burdened some younger players' confidence. "If you say lack of effort, I'll oppose that."

"It's a massive job of all our staff to get the confidence up to win games of footy," Mick says. Players are not immune to criticism. Only way to replenish confidence is with winning, competitive form. We have been patchy and inconsistent, Mick says. "We have to restore confidence and build confidence."

Irrelevant talking about his future. "It's been done to death." The only focus is on the game against the Cats, the coach says.

And that's it. Bang. The conference is over. Questions about Mick's future brought a swift end to the chat fest. The feeling among the experienced footy journos is it was an interesting couple of minutes with talk of a rebuild having damaged the Blues confidence.

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