The talent is there - just have to improve the work ethic. You guys can continually make light of the list management woes all you like - it just hinders our planning for the next few years. Unless you get it right off-field, you're not in with a chance on-field.

As we currently stand, we'll have Cachia + Scotland & Sheehan to be entered on the rookie list (Byrne as Int Rookie).
6 spots left, either through the ND (min 3 or max 5) and 1 to 3 picks in the rookie draft depending on how many we have on the senior list - going by the supposed salary cap restraints, you'd pick 38 man senior list with 6 rookies.
Unless we're still to delist any others....

Scotto was delisted so we could have 3 live picks in the ND. So I'm thinking we'll go 3 ND picks + 2 rookie upgrades (Bell & Curnow). So that leaves us with 3 picks in the rookie draft (not including Sheehan, Scotto or Cachia).

Correct.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

3 picks in the national draft,
Pick 13; depends who is available but one of,
Lennon, Salem, freeman or Taylor, best mid...
Pick 39; hoping Darcy hourigan, 191cm 92kg power
forward, the jack darling type, fit in well with Henderson
menzel and garlett, adds another dimension to our forward
line, good kick and good at ground level also.
Pick 51; Mitch thorp, mobile key forward, with Waite almost
finished, thorp is the perfect replacement, fit well along side
Henderson and hourigan..
After adding Thomas, docherty and everitt, hope we can add
another quality mid with pick 13, hourigan and thorp, would
mean we are starting to head in the right direction..
Would give us a good forward line, few more mids added and
a mobile swingman...
Guess we will find out in two weeks..

..plenty still relies upon how much watt improves, if he can put a claim for chb then hendo can go fwd and stay fwd, swingman in emergency not every 2nd week..

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Been a pretty good turnover of personnel so far including Laidley so well done to McKay hope Rogers finishes off with 3 draftees who will be around for a while.

Interesting to note 13 of the current 39 listed players are rookies or were drafted as rookies. Wonder how that compares with other club lists ?

Darcy Hourigan is not the Jack Darling type...

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Definitely not. I think he's more of a defender at the next level anyway.

I agree. It has been a decent turnover. Enough for the team to start showing some new characteristics. You add in a couple coming through from last years draft and we definitely should be able to build some new steel and should not be making the same predictable mistakes of the last 3-4 years. Shame Mick didn't push harder for more trades last year.
I would have liked one or two bigger trades this year. Losing a couple of good players with certain characteristics and gaining others with a different batch of skills.

Looking forward to this coming season. Hope it doesn't involve a slump around a time when a lot of our games are being played at Etihad. It will kill me to see that another year.

So once again we will have a minimum number of picks in the draft. How many times have we done that in the last few years??

Not good enough IMO.

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Actually we can still have 4, salary cap permitting. Technically 5, but we've committed to Scotland as a nominated rookie.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Hourigan not the darling type.....
Both 191cm power forwards, and you say he
is better suited as a defender!!!! Has played zero
games as a defender, and when you have a player
that kicks goals from 60 out why would you play him
as a defender????
Named in the forward line as an all Australian, yep lets play
him as a defender!!!!!!!!!!
Stuart crameri from Essendon* now the dogs, again same type
of player, that strong medium forward who is hard to match up
on...
The guy is a medium power forward, not a defender and has
Jack darling written all over him........

Go look up Jonathan Marsh.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Go look up marsh, or watch hourigan play live footy like have
done all year, plays like darling to me, little bit more mobile,
everyone can have there opinions...

What are you basing the non-comparison of Hourigan and Darling on?

I agree (if) you're basing that on Darling's obvious potential to go further up the ground, and Hourigan is more of a stay at home forward. In terms of purely of what they offer as forwards, I think they're quite similar body on body players who have good football smarts with a good to above average set shot.

Question marks on his fitness/body shape, but am happy to disregard them. #Lance

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

That's not quite the case for this year as we did effectively trade one selection for Docherty.

There aren't too many clubs keen on going past their three selections in the ND, this year anyway.
I know...Brisbane....but look at how that came about. Wasn't really what they wanted, was it?

3 in the ND and 3 in the RD now, after picking up Sheehan.
I think we had somewhat of an adventurous FA/Trade period and introducing two Irishmen makes it somewhat exciting. Certainly a step up on the past couple of years.
We've effectively had a 25% turnover in personnel.

Agree Harker an infinitely better pre-season than last year - Docherty Thomas and everitt all good gets - still retained 1st round pick -got second round for hampson for Docherty - good gets the irish boys as rookies - elevation of bell and Curnow on senior list - both improving as senior players - most sides as you say with their picks are pulling out of draft early -fact that Armstrong nahas and Addison get picked up yesterday indicates lack of strength /depth in the draft

Just need to pick a gun in the draft with our first pick and we are away

Nahas?
Thin draft indeed!

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Are they really?

Happy with Docherty for a pick in the 30s. Talented but a lot to work on. I have high hopes for him.

Thomas is 27 and has some serious injury issues. At best he was very very good but his best is behind him. How much influence can we expect him to have? Is he a serious part of our next premiership? Plus more pressure on our salary cap. Collingwood ended up with effectively Adams to replace him. I know who I would rather.

Everitt. He's okay but never been anything special. Third club already. Does he give us much more than Walker, McInnes, Docherty or Bootsma in the long term?

Personally I would of done the Docherty trade, kept pick 13 which would been 12 and cut Collingwood out of a first round pick.

Got a pick in 20s for Betts and kept pick 32. Maybe even upgrade pick 20 to something inside Top 12?

Much rather replace Thomas with lets say Freeman/Lennon (12) & Hartung/Dunstan (20) and then Harvey/Apeness (33) then Honeychurch/Knight (51)?

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