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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 5:52 pm 
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I reckon across the 9 rounds Acres' good has outweighed his bad


Yep , and by a fair margin . Has overall been pretty good .



He has, but I really cracked it when his FIRST kick of the game went straight to an opponent who kicks a goal.

I couldnt drop him from my best 22 vs Pies.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 6:26 pm 
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Acres is a very good player. His role requires players around him to be very good too, or else he tries to do too much (or is put in situations where he needs to do too much).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.
There's one on the free agency list that I'm looking at for them & that's Jade Gresham. He'd be a missing piece for them with his ability in both areas of the ground, that's the bit of fits.
There's some bits that need to be worked through to make it happen. He hasn't been in super form this season, been a bit down. He's on the end of a four-year deal at around $800,000 leading up to this year.. he wouldn't be at that level at this rate.
He's a small forward who goes into midfield, rather than the other way around. The other question is & people ask a bit around Carlton's salary cap - I don't think that's as much of an issue as some might think.
The thing about it is, they have Charlie Curnow signed until 2029, Harry McKay signed until 2030, that gives huge flexibility. They can backend deals, push money around & underpay in certain years then pay them back.
Knowing that you've got so many years to work with, that's the beauty of the long term deal. In this case, it could give them the opportunity to [go after Jade Gresham]. Come down to IKON Park.”


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 1:39 pm 
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If the deal is effectively TDK for Gresham, I'm OK with that.

I suspect others will offer more than we will, and that others will come loose as a result (I'd hate to see us lose Durdin or Owies as a result).


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 2:05 pm 
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I would like us to consider Ben Ainsworth when his contract is up. I think he is one that would get more out of himself playing in front a large supporter base.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I would like us to consider Ben Ainsworth when his contract is up. I think he is one that would get more out of himself playing in front a large supporter base.

He’d be good for Harry’s relative confidence.

Like a fat bloke standing next to a fatter bloke.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 2:29 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
If the deal is effectively TDK for Gresham, I'm OK with that.

I suspect others will offer more than we will, and that others will come loose as a result (I'd hate to see us lose Durdin or Owies as a result).


No need. Gresham is a RFA (they won't match) and we can get a good pick for TDK. I wouldn't combine them


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.


Not if he can't get up and going properly this year. 40 games in 7 years isn't enough


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 3:14 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
I would like us to consider Ben Ainsworth when his contract is up. I think he is one that would get more out of himself playing in front a large supporter base.


Really liked him as a junior. Hasn't done much since


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 4:36 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
If the deal is effectively TDK for Gresham, I'm OK with that.

I suspect others will offer more than we will, and that others will come loose as a result (I'd hate to see us lose Durdin or Owies as a result).



We developed Owies for a small forward role under Bettsys guidance.
Then with our first draft pick we took Durdin who also was Bettsys understudy.
Then we invest in Motlop.

Is the case for those keen on ex Carlton supporter Gresham feel the current small forwards, including Fisher are not going to give us what we need?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
If the deal is effectively TDK for Gresham, I'm OK with that.

I suspect others will offer more than we will, and that others will come loose as a result (I'd hate to see us lose Durdin or Owies as a result).



We developed Owies for a small forward role under Bettsys guidance.
Then with our first draft pick we took Durdin who also was Bettsys understudy.
Then we invest in Motlop.

Is the case for those keen on ex Carlton supporter Gresham feel the current small forwards, including Fisher are not going to give us what we need?


Fisher I would trade to WA
Owies is good and solid but a worker NOT a X Factor type
Durdin has traits I like but has yet to put it together
Motlop I'm confident will be a gun but is very young

Gresham is exactly what we need. Goal sneak, quick and can go into the middle. I would definitely chase him at the right price


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 4:51 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.

Hell no......delist.

3 objectives this draft.
1. Remove injury prone players, as many as we can.
2. Inject more speed into the team, especially in the midfield.
3. Bring in more experienced senior talent to provide more on-field leadership and overall performance stability.

And it should go without saying, but all players coming into the club need to have exceptional kicking skills.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 5:01 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.

Hell no......delist.

3 objectives this draft.
1. Remove injury prone players, as many as we can.
2. Inject more speed into the team, especially in the midfield.
3. Bring in more experienced senior talent to provide more on-field leadership and overall performance stability.

And it should go without saying, but all players coming into the club need to have exceptional kicking skills.


We need to clear out the bottom group of players especially the ones that can't get on the park

I think we need another KPP, another ruck after trading TDK and more midfield depth with some leg speed


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.

Hell no......delist.

3 objectives this draft.
1. Remove injury prone players, as many as we can.
2. Inject more speed into the team, especially in the midfield.
3. Bring in more experienced senior talent to provide more on-field leadership and overall performance stability.

And it should go without saying, but all players coming into the club need to have exceptional kicking skills.


We need to clear out the bottom group of players especially the ones that can't get on the park

I think we need another KPP, another ruck after trading TDK and more midfield depth with some leg speed

As far as positions go, I agree.
As the KPP a medium forward with some X factor would be great.
Bruest would've been a good get.
We still need to follow the objectives though.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 5:37 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.


Not if he can't get up and going properly this year. 40 games in 7 years isn't enough

No argument there.

But, if he can be fixed, he’s a mature-age player of better than average talent on minimum chips.

We started the season with 19 expiring contracts & by my count, there are still 16 to come. Most of them aren’t contributing, either injured or not up to scratch… maybe half a dozen keepers.

It’s too many to turn over in one go.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Interesting on Jade Gresham. Has ability and the type we need. Only 25. I'd be happy to get him but wouldn't be paying him much but he is a RFA


"Cal Twomey explains why Carlton should chase St. Kilda's restricted free agent Jade Gresham: “I think Carlton, who are the talk of the town obviously, need another gamebreaker in the forward half.
That dose of speed & class between midfield & forward line, the linkup player, the guy who can finish off.
We know they went after Tom Papley a few years ago, hindsight is a beautiful thing - he would've turned into the perfect player for them, with the player he has become.

This is, in a way, the argument for retaining Cuningham for one last go around.


Not if he can't get up and going properly this year. 40 games in 7 years isn't enough

No argument there.

But, if he can be fixed, he’s a mature-age player of better than average talent on minimum chips.

We started the season with 19 expiring contracts & by my count, there are still 16 to come. Most of them aren’t contributing, either injured or not up to scratch… maybe half a dozen keepers.

It’s too many to turn over in one go.


I rate Marchbank & Cuningham on ability. Both could be good players but at some stage you need to say enough. You also can't be carrying too many of these players.

Philp is exactly the type we need but his body can't handle it. Plowman is one of our most resilient players but not up to it. Dow the same

We are at a real X roads with our list in regards to depth. I still believe our Top 25-30 are very good but the next 10 plus need to be improved greatly


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 5:56 pm 
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I would like to see us get another KPP or hope soon Durdin is fit and allows Weitering to play a Lever type role

If McGovern stays he should play as a forward and if not we need to chase someone else.

I would trade TDK if we can get a top 15 pick. Having Pick 10 & 12 and then say 25 (example) would be really good for our list. Then go with some durable mature types


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
I would like to see us get another KPP or hope soon Durdin is fit and allows Weitering to play a Lever type role

If McGovern stays he should play as a forward and if not we need to chase someone else.

I would trade TDK if we can get a top 15 pick. Having Pick 10 & 12 and then say 25 (example) would be really good for our list. Then go with some durable mature types

We’re definitely not getting a top 15 pick for De Koning. He’s a 2nd round pick for the right buyer.

We’ve got one pick in the teens & two in the 60s. Maybe one in the late 20s if we trade Tom.

I said earlier in this thread that we’re on tram tracks. I think the better analogy would be ‘painted into a corner’.

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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I would like to see us get another KPP or hope soon Durdin is fit and allows Weitering to play a Lever type role

If McGovern stays he should play as a forward and if not we need to chase someone else.

I would trade TDK if we can get a top 15 pick. Having Pick 10 & 12 and then say 25 (example) would be really good for our list. Then go with some durable mature types

We’re definitely not getting a top 15 pick for De Koning. He’s a 2nd round pick for the right buyer.

We’ve got one pick in the teens & two in the 60s. Maybe one in the late 20s if we trade Tom.

I said earlier in this thread that we’re on tram tracks. I think the better analogy would be ‘painted into a corner’.


Precisely why we need to move on older players with currency.

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